When President Nixon was threatened with impeachment, prosecution, or both for his obvious crimes, members of his own party joined in the call for his resignation. No such bipartisan consensus has arisen today. More than a year ago press accounts were published of conversations President Biden had with associates. He allegedly complained about the attorney general not being aggressive enough in pursuing President Trump for his role in the January 6 events. This is what the press reported: “Biden had ‘said privately that he wanted Mr. Garland to act less like a ponderous judge and more like a prosecutor who was willing to take decisive action over the events of January 6th.’”
"I have no doubt that if the shoe were on the other foot Mr. Trump would be demanding prosecution of his political opponents..." Really? Trump could have gone after Hillary, he had plenty of hard evidence of her destroying cell-phones with hammers and wiping a personal server with multiples of classified material she illegally stored, thousands of incriminating emails, etc. However, Trump didn't did not demand prosecution of his political opponent, he just ignored her. After all, if one is a billionaire, Hillary is like a clerk at the local Circle-K, a nobody.
Trump ran insisting that Hillary should be jailed, upgraded her "crime" to a felony, and then went about committing that crime and many more with the documents. Please explain how this makes sense to a sensible person.
Yeah, destroying thousands of classified emails which should never have been kept on her unsecure personal server is no crime, but a POTUS having (not sharing) classified docs is a crime.
Trump was not president when he illegally shared the documents at Bedminster. American voters recognized he was completely incompetent and voted him out of office. He stole 100's of documents, shared them with people without clearances, and then lied in an affidavit. This is proven behind doubt. Why shouldn't he be punished severly?
Trump illegally shared the documents at Bedminster. It's on tape for crying out loud. The government has chosen not to charge him that treasonous offense, and is using it to prove that he never declassified the defense secret he stared. Do right-wingers actually think if you're not charged you didn't do it?
That is because, AS I SAID, he didn't share anything. He waved around a piece of paper that even the government doesn't have. For all we know it was his grocery list.
"Do right-wingers actually think if you're not charged you didn't do it?"
I don't know any right wingers, but I'm sure - especially with a prosecutor looking for every possible thing he thinks he can stuff into an indictment - that things you've never been charged with are because you didn't do anything that could be charged.
Maybe he should've charged Trump with killing JFK, right? Sheesh.
That is what the crowd shouted to their shame. I didn’t watch all his rallies but never heard him say that, only the joke he made during the debates, when they compared one another for fitness for office.
No court has yet established that the "crimes" Trump is charged with in these legally dubious indictments are even crimes.
Even many dems plainly see how weak the Manhattan case is. I mean, seriously, trying to charge a guy with multiple felonies for not properly entering on a ledger paying off a nuisance?
Then trying to claim the ex-Prez stole "secrets" that he had the right to possess? Not even that he gave them to someone?
Then claiming he incited the riot (not the phony "insurrection" that you keep slobbering about) that he had nothing to do with? But, hey, it was his fault because we read his mind?
The problem for you is more than half the country sees this effort to jail Trump as purely political. The other problem is trying to make your legal pretzels stand up to judicial scrutiny.
"Assume every fact alleged in the indictment will be proven"
If that were the case every prosecutor would have a 100% conviction rate.
Your problem is you actually have to prove what you assert - indeed, that what you assert is, first and foremost, even a crime. All that an indictment is is a list of things the government has to prove. It's not "evidence" of anything.
OMG! Mr. Dershowitz......your opening says you take Biden at his word.....are you even paying attention at all to the lies Biden tells....and he tells them constantly.......OMG!.....what is wrong with you........do you even know there is no Constitution operating right now.....i have watched Trump closely and though I have no problem with his personality because I see his heart, the way the Dems have lied and gone after him with you saying nothing and then your saying you take Biden at his word makes me wonder if you have dementia....seriously?.....but i bet it’s because your family called you a bad person for defending Trump when in defending OJ and sex trafficker the only said what you did was bad.......
I think I follow you only to tell you how wrong you are.....people think you are such a big shot lawyer but you defend scum.....where is your line sir....not even children with Epstein.....but that is not my point here.....do you even realize we are in communism now....do you know that the WHO said that covid is over and shots are not necessary yet our president is allowing a rogue agency to vaccinate babies regularly for years to come.....this is all money.....and Biden is part of it.....where is your brain Sir?....and I totally disagree with you that the nation has a right to mandate vaccines into MY body, when all of its (the government;s) research is based on corrupt lies and no placebo trials of the FDA and CDC and putting poisons into the vaccines.......do you ever even research or do you just think knowing the law is enough.....my god you are part of killing people...... .....everyone is all getting paid off to lie about there being any science in the shots or any truth to what they do to our great President Trump......
Yes i only write to you to tell you how wrong you are.....you are too old to be doing this....just like McConnell....when will we have age limits.....your premises are based on hatred of Trump so you are not objective....this is getting long....i will stop but Mr Dershowitz at least think about how wrong your heart and soul are and especially because the premises you use for your arguments are not even researched........see the argument looks ok if one accepts your premise. I do NOT..
“ The essence of a Banana Republic — the description applies equally to some Eastern European and Asian authoritarian regimes, as it does to South American — is the criminal prosecution of political opponents by incumbent leaders. We are not a Banana Republic and we are not close to becoming one. Yet this most recent indictment, following Mr. Biden’s public demand for the prosecution of his political opponent, brings us one step closer to banana land.
I have no doubt that if the shoe were on the other foot Mr. Trump would be demanding prosecution of his political opponents, but two constitutional wrongs do not make a constitutional right.”
How are these two constitutional wrongs? “Would off called” vs actual RELENTLESS ruthless persecution often of illegally made up crimes?
If Barr has done his job, chances are we would not have been in the position we are now.
As someone who, like the Professor, is not a Trump voter, I am appalled by the blatant use of the judicial system by Biden & Co. to get rid of his political rival.
We simply cannot ignore the whole phony Dem-concocted "Russiagate" effort to overturn to the 2016 election. They targeted Trump from day one with this steaming pile. They dragged the country though hell for years. They lied, lied, and lied some more.
But we are now supposed to disregard this mountain of lies. They lied through their teeth for years to try to topple Trump but now their motives are pure and holy.
Wow, Alan seems totally ignorant of basic concepts of our Constitution. Found writers despised the monarchies (religious and property) of Europe during our founding years. Our Constitution throughout is based on CITIZENS take on the roles (OFFICEs) defined as our government structure. The constitution identifies several OFFICES that citizens can be elected to that role for defined terms. The OFFICE's are provided specified governing rights. When a citizen is not performing the specific duties of the OFFICE they are just another citizen. When a citizen nolonger is an elected holder of a role then then are a citizen to which all laws apply. Mitch McConnell's floor speech after 2nd impeachment clearly states this. The judge at Trump's indictment made this clear by addressing the defendent as 'Mr Tump'
Prof. Dershowitz: You keep ducking the most important issue. Trump's fake elector scheme is pure crime and fraud, since the election was officially over on Dec. 14, 2020, when every state certified their electors. There is no such thing as "alternate" electors, except as an effort to commit fraud. The losing team of the Super Bowl can't be declared the winner, even if they somehow show the refs made a mistake on the last play. Of course, there was absolutely nothing wrong with Biden's clear, unquestionable victory anyway.
Assume Trump's claims about fraud in the election were in fact true, an absurd proposition, to be sure. The fake electors conspiracy could not possibly be legal regardless. As of Dec. 14, 2021, there was no lawful means to change the outcome, just when the final gun in the Super Bowl sounds, regardless if they find out later that the refs made a mistake.
Yeah, Biden - who lost the first three Dem primaries and was being written off politically - miraculously gets all of the other candidates to drop out and sails to victory, then, from his basement, runs his "campaign" while Trump is barnstorming the country drawing huge enthusiastic crowds. When Biden does venture out he can't draw a crowd large enough to fill a phone booth. THIS guy gets more votes than any candidate in history when at the same time we've got newly-mandated mail-in voting (no pesky exit polling possible here!) because of the "pandemic".
Assume Biden's victory was pure fraud. Trump still committed fraud with his fake electors scheme and deserves to be severely punished. Once the electors were certified on Dec. 14, 2020, every single thing Trump did after that was pure crime.
Unfortunately for the Dems, they've taken their own lame propaganda seriously and have moved it from mere political posturing that is fawned over by a compliant MSM to a legal indictment that will now have to stand up to something it's never faced: Judicial scrutiny, cross examination of their witnesses, opposing witnesses and contrary evidence.
Unfortunately for you, that's not how the American justice system works. We have this quaint notion of "innocent until proven guilty". And even then, there is an appeals process - you know, like that process that previously unanimously overturned Jack's convictions.
I'm sure you would prefer that we dispense with any of that pesky trial stuff - you know, where the government has to actually prove what they assert and have their assertions challeneged by, oh, I don't know, opposing witnesses and evidence and stuff like that - and just send him straight to prison.
Dersh's Dems with the enabling of Biden by Dersh has once again raised its Jim Crow worshipping and butchering our justice system. Dersh's Dems, have turned America upside down, and yet the Dersh makes moral equivalences between the Republicans and Democrats of today. Dersh, you are part of the problem!
Put on your thinking cap and read this guarantee: There isn't the slightest chance that Jack Smith cited facts in his indictment that he can't prove at least two ways. Trump is as guilty as far-right loose stool.
"There isn't the slightest chance that Jack Smith cited facts in his indictment that he can't prove at least two ways."
Uh huh.
Smith prosecuted the former governor of Virginia, Robert McDonnell, a Republican. Although Smith scored a conviction against McDonnell, the case was later overturned by the U.S. Supreme Court in a unanimous 8-0 decision.
I have to wonder what the Dems think is going to happen if they manage to toss Trump into jail. It's clear that he has at least half the country on his side and that his supporters are extremely passionate - certainly more than Biden's reluctant apologists. I really want some Biden supporter to explain what they think this country - which is already dangerously split - is going to look like if they bag the hated orange menace and deprive his voters of their candidate.
Better question: What did far-right wingers think would happen if Trump's purely criminal plan to overturn the election had somehow worked? Were true American patriots just supposed to accept it?
No, Chunky, I'm preparing to celebrate the second time Biden will crush the Orange Felon, this is if flabby boy survives until Biden crushes him. He'l looking very ready for another coronary.
It's amazing to me that Biden supporters can overlook the clear and mounting evidence of his corruption with Hunter - a very simple bribery/influence peddling scheme - as if they wouldn't be (rightly) screaming bloody murder if this were Trump & Son. There's also the matter of Hunter's sweetheart plea deal. Yeah, nothing to see here.
Good luck with celebrating anything.
And once again. thanks for avoiding the initial question I asked.
When Trump announce he would prosecute Hillary during the presidential debates, he brought it on himself. I wish, however, the Democrats would take the high road and not take the bait. I am not happy with either side
"I have no doubt that if the shoe were on the other foot Mr. Trump would be demanding prosecution of his political opponents..." Really? Trump could have gone after Hillary, he had plenty of hard evidence of her destroying cell-phones with hammers and wiping a personal server with multiples of classified material she illegally stored, thousands of incriminating emails, etc. However, Trump didn't did not demand prosecution of his political opponent, he just ignored her. After all, if one is a billionaire, Hillary is like a clerk at the local Circle-K, a nobody.
True, but HRC could never be compared to a clerk. Crooked accountant, yes.
Trump ran insisting that Hillary should be jailed, upgraded her "crime" to a felony, and then went about committing that crime and many more with the documents. Please explain how this makes sense to a sensible person.
her "crime"
Yeah, destroying thousands of classified emails which should never have been kept on her unsecure personal server is no crime, but a POTUS having (not sharing) classified docs is a crime.
You don't bother much with credibility, do you?
Trump was not president when he illegally shared the documents at Bedminster. American voters recognized he was completely incompetent and voted him out of office. He stole 100's of documents, shared them with people without clearances, and then lied in an affidavit. This is proven behind doubt. Why shouldn't he be punished severly?
"he illegally shared the documents"
WTF are you gurgling about? Not even the government is claiming that he shared anything.
Trump illegally shared the documents at Bedminster. It's on tape for crying out loud. The government has chosen not to charge him that treasonous offense, and is using it to prove that he never declassified the defense secret he stared. Do right-wingers actually think if you're not charged you didn't do it?
"The government has chosen not to charge him"
That is because, AS I SAID, he didn't share anything. He waved around a piece of paper that even the government doesn't have. For all we know it was his grocery list.
"Do right-wingers actually think if you're not charged you didn't do it?"
I don't know any right wingers, but I'm sure - especially with a prosecutor looking for every possible thing he thinks he can stuff into an indictment - that things you've never been charged with are because you didn't do anything that could be charged.
Maybe he should've charged Trump with killing JFK, right? Sheesh.
That is what the crowd shouted to their shame. I didn’t watch all his rallies but never heard him say that, only the joke he made during the debates, when they compared one another for fitness for office.
Dems won’t stop until Trump in prison or dead.
And Republicans will publicly defend Trump no matter how obvious his crimes are.
No court has yet established that the "crimes" Trump is charged with in these legally dubious indictments are even crimes.
Even many dems plainly see how weak the Manhattan case is. I mean, seriously, trying to charge a guy with multiple felonies for not properly entering on a ledger paying off a nuisance?
Then trying to claim the ex-Prez stole "secrets" that he had the right to possess? Not even that he gave them to someone?
Then claiming he incited the riot (not the phony "insurrection" that you keep slobbering about) that he had nothing to do with? But, hey, it was his fault because we read his mind?
The problem for you is more than half the country sees this effort to jail Trump as purely political. The other problem is trying to make your legal pretzels stand up to judicial scrutiny.
Anybody who reads the federal indictments knows Trump is plainly guilty. Republicans just don't care.
You confuse indictments with proof of something. That you have pronounced Trump guilty without even a trial says a lot.
Why do you hate America so much?
Assume every fact alleged in the indictment will be proven, which it undoubtedly will be, what is Trump's defense?
"Assume every fact alleged in the indictment will be proven"
If that were the case every prosecutor would have a 100% conviction rate.
Your problem is you actually have to prove what you assert - indeed, that what you assert is, first and foremost, even a crime. All that an indictment is is a list of things the government has to prove. It's not "evidence" of anything.
I going to guess yo don’t know many Republicans.
OMG! Mr. Dershowitz......your opening says you take Biden at his word.....are you even paying attention at all to the lies Biden tells....and he tells them constantly.......OMG!.....what is wrong with you........do you even know there is no Constitution operating right now.....i have watched Trump closely and though I have no problem with his personality because I see his heart, the way the Dems have lied and gone after him with you saying nothing and then your saying you take Biden at his word makes me wonder if you have dementia....seriously?.....but i bet it’s because your family called you a bad person for defending Trump when in defending OJ and sex trafficker the only said what you did was bad.......
I think I follow you only to tell you how wrong you are.....people think you are such a big shot lawyer but you defend scum.....where is your line sir....not even children with Epstein.....but that is not my point here.....do you even realize we are in communism now....do you know that the WHO said that covid is over and shots are not necessary yet our president is allowing a rogue agency to vaccinate babies regularly for years to come.....this is all money.....and Biden is part of it.....where is your brain Sir?....and I totally disagree with you that the nation has a right to mandate vaccines into MY body, when all of its (the government;s) research is based on corrupt lies and no placebo trials of the FDA and CDC and putting poisons into the vaccines.......do you ever even research or do you just think knowing the law is enough.....my god you are part of killing people...... .....everyone is all getting paid off to lie about there being any science in the shots or any truth to what they do to our great President Trump......
Yes i only write to you to tell you how wrong you are.....you are too old to be doing this....just like McConnell....when will we have age limits.....your premises are based on hatred of Trump so you are not objective....this is getting long....i will stop but Mr Dershowitz at least think about how wrong your heart and soul are and especially because the premises you use for your arguments are not even researched........see the argument looks ok if one accepts your premise. I do NOT..
“ The essence of a Banana Republic — the description applies equally to some Eastern European and Asian authoritarian regimes, as it does to South American — is the criminal prosecution of political opponents by incumbent leaders. We are not a Banana Republic and we are not close to becoming one. Yet this most recent indictment, following Mr. Biden’s public demand for the prosecution of his political opponent, brings us one step closer to banana land.
I have no doubt that if the shoe were on the other foot Mr. Trump would be demanding prosecution of his political opponents, but two constitutional wrongs do not make a constitutional right.”
How are these two constitutional wrongs? “Would off called” vs actual RELENTLESS ruthless persecution often of illegally made up crimes?
If Barr has done his job, chances are we would not have been in the position we are now.
Correct, if Barr had done his job, instead of sitting on his hands....
Thank you for paying attention Professor and sharing your view. You have always been a hero to me.
Here is more of Dersh's Dems in action: Verdict in Andy Ngo's Case Against Antifa Sends Shockwaves
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/miacathell/2023/08/09/andy-ngo-antifa-trial-hacker-testimony-n2626762
As someone who, like the Professor, is not a Trump voter, I am appalled by the blatant use of the judicial system by Biden & Co. to get rid of his political rival.
We simply cannot ignore the whole phony Dem-concocted "Russiagate" effort to overturn to the 2016 election. They targeted Trump from day one with this steaming pile. They dragged the country though hell for years. They lied, lied, and lied some more.
But we are now supposed to disregard this mountain of lies. They lied through their teeth for years to try to topple Trump but now their motives are pure and holy.
Uh huh. Sure. Not buying it.
Wow, Alan seems totally ignorant of basic concepts of our Constitution. Found writers despised the monarchies (religious and property) of Europe during our founding years. Our Constitution throughout is based on CITIZENS take on the roles (OFFICEs) defined as our government structure. The constitution identifies several OFFICES that citizens can be elected to that role for defined terms. The OFFICE's are provided specified governing rights. When a citizen is not performing the specific duties of the OFFICE they are just another citizen. When a citizen nolonger is an elected holder of a role then then are a citizen to which all laws apply. Mitch McConnell's floor speech after 2nd impeachment clearly states this. The judge at Trump's indictment made this clear by addressing the defendent as 'Mr Tump'
Prof. Dershowitz: You keep ducking the most important issue. Trump's fake elector scheme is pure crime and fraud, since the election was officially over on Dec. 14, 2020, when every state certified their electors. There is no such thing as "alternate" electors, except as an effort to commit fraud. The losing team of the Super Bowl can't be declared the winner, even if they somehow show the refs made a mistake on the last play. Of course, there was absolutely nothing wrong with Biden's clear, unquestionable victory anyway.
"there was absolutely nothing wrong with Biden's clear, unquestionable victory anyway"
Thanks for the laugh. I'm not even a Trump voter but that bit of forcing mail-in voting pegged my BS meter in the red zone.
Oh, yeah, that's right - it was because of the "pandemic" and they were just trying to keep us "safe".
What a piece of shit! Re: Dershowitz. Epstein's perv buddy.
The comments are as divided as our country.
Professor Dershowitz, I highly regard your articles. They are “ The Best “.
If Trump OR Biden is the next Prez, all we're going to see is the country split right down the middle and possibly doomed.
These are perilous times.
Assume Trump's claims about fraud in the election were in fact true, an absurd proposition, to be sure. The fake electors conspiracy could not possibly be legal regardless. As of Dec. 14, 2021, there was no lawful means to change the outcome, just when the final gun in the Super Bowl sounds, regardless if they find out later that the refs made a mistake.
"an absurd proposition, to be sure"
Yeah, Biden - who lost the first three Dem primaries and was being written off politically - miraculously gets all of the other candidates to drop out and sails to victory, then, from his basement, runs his "campaign" while Trump is barnstorming the country drawing huge enthusiastic crowds. When Biden does venture out he can't draw a crowd large enough to fill a phone booth. THIS guy gets more votes than any candidate in history when at the same time we've got newly-mandated mail-in voting (no pesky exit polling possible here!) because of the "pandemic".
I beleive it.
Assume Biden's victory was pure fraud. Trump still committed fraud with his fake electors scheme and deserves to be severely punished. Once the electors were certified on Dec. 14, 2020, every single thing Trump did after that was pure crime.
Unfortunately for the Dems, they've taken their own lame propaganda seriously and have moved it from mere political posturing that is fawned over by a compliant MSM to a legal indictment that will now have to stand up to something it's never faced: Judicial scrutiny, cross examination of their witnesses, opposing witnesses and contrary evidence.
Good luck with that.
Trump's behavior is obvious crime. Republicans will deny everything, even the fact that Trump was rejected by the voters and lost to Biden.
"Trump's behavior is obvious crime."
Uh huh.
Unfortunately for you, that's not how the American justice system works. We have this quaint notion of "innocent until proven guilty". And even then, there is an appeals process - you know, like that process that previously unanimously overturned Jack's convictions.
I'm sure you would prefer that we dispense with any of that pesky trial stuff - you know, where the government has to actually prove what they assert and have their assertions challeneged by, oh, I don't know, opposing witnesses and evidence and stuff like that - and just send him straight to prison.
Why do you hate America so much?
Dersh's Dems with the enabling of Biden by Dersh has once again raised its Jim Crow worshipping and butchering our justice system. Dersh's Dems, have turned America upside down, and yet the Dersh makes moral equivalences between the Republicans and Democrats of today. Dersh, you are part of the problem!
How does your far-right blabber-blabber prove that Trump isn't as obvious as the evidence shows he is?
What "evidence" would that be?
An indictment is not evidence of anything.
Put on your thinking cap and read this guarantee: There isn't the slightest chance that Jack Smith cited facts in his indictment that he can't prove at least two ways. Trump is as guilty as far-right loose stool.
"There isn't the slightest chance that Jack Smith cited facts in his indictment that he can't prove at least two ways."
Uh huh.
Smith prosecuted the former governor of Virginia, Robert McDonnell, a Republican. Although Smith scored a conviction against McDonnell, the case was later overturned by the U.S. Supreme Court in a unanimous 8-0 decision.
That's 8-0.
I have to wonder what the Dems think is going to happen if they manage to toss Trump into jail. It's clear that he has at least half the country on his side and that his supporters are extremely passionate - certainly more than Biden's reluctant apologists. I really want some Biden supporter to explain what they think this country - which is already dangerously split - is going to look like if they bag the hated orange menace and deprive his voters of their candidate.
Better question: What did far-right wingers think would happen if Trump's purely criminal plan to overturn the election had somehow worked? Were true American patriots just supposed to accept it?
"Trump's purely criminal plan to overturn the election"
Uh huh.
Shouldn't you be clutching pearls and slobbering teary-eyed about "our democracy"?
But thanks for avoiding the question.
No, Chunky, I'm preparing to celebrate the second time Biden will crush the Orange Felon, this is if flabby boy survives until Biden crushes him. He'l looking very ready for another coronary.
It's amazing to me that Biden supporters can overlook the clear and mounting evidence of his corruption with Hunter - a very simple bribery/influence peddling scheme - as if they wouldn't be (rightly) screaming bloody murder if this were Trump & Son. There's also the matter of Hunter's sweetheart plea deal. Yeah, nothing to see here.
Good luck with celebrating anything.
And once again. thanks for avoiding the initial question I asked.
When Trump announce he would prosecute Hillary during the presidential debates, he brought it on himself. I wish, however, the Democrats would take the high road and not take the bait. I am not happy with either side
Trump NEVER prosecuted Hillary, although he had good legal cause to.
Hah?? Not happy with either side?
Show me a Politician who has not talked a tough talk on a campaign trail.
There is a difference between the talk and RELENTLESS RUTHLESS persecution of a political adversary.
How sure are you that you don’t see the difference?