I am not a lawyer. But I am old enough to remember the obnoxious Iranian students who were wreaking havoc in Washington, D.C. around 1979-80. Our government found a way to get their student visas revoked and sent them packng. Might this serve as some sort of legal precedent?
Yes it might. Alan is letting his defense attorney soul get the better of him. Advocating for terror and the murder and assault of Jews when you are actually in the presence of Jews is not a free speech right. See Beandeburg c. Ohio. He was spouting theoretical exhortations. He had Jews in front of him which he wanted people to attack as he advocated the murder of Jews in the Middle East. Not a close case. Goodbye.
He is not a citizen; he is a permanent resident. A green card holder. Even with that, does he have rights that American citizens do? Beyond that, does he have any right to use freedom of speech to incite or call for violence? Does that not violate the 1st Amendment for American citizens as well?
Resident aliens - which is what they are called and visa holders do not have all the protections and rights of citizens. There is no such thing as a “permanent resident” they are not permanent.
In order to stay, they have to renew their green card periodically and they are subject to the rules and regulations relating to permitted resident aliens. You can’t throw an American citizen out of the country easily, although there are circumstances in which you can take back a naturalized status. Resident aliens and Visa card holders are here under a certain permissions and regulations. They therefore do not have all the rights of American citizens. I know this is hard to accept because the mainstream media tells you otherwise, but that is what the law and
Oh Mary. your first paragraph contradicts American Federal Law. It is o easy to research on google before writing. "Visa card holders" probably is not meant to connect credit card to green cards. Yes, resident alien have all the same rights and obligations of citizens. Having to renew the status and follow regulations does not carry sufficient weight to change rights granted by the Constitution. If you do not like that they have the same rights, the Constitution is available for amending.by Congress
If he was protesting against black students, passing out flyers for the KKK, and preventing them from attending their classes or feeling safe on their own campus- would you look at the situation any differently?
Just look at the furor and labelling as an existential threat the 2020 candidacy of Joe Lieberman; a book and fiction at that.
Display the Hopkins [Gadsden] flag and woe be to them. Once a symbol of unity and defiance ultimately redefined to be a racist symbol; going even as far as cause for EEOC filing.
Terta's comment is an example of a primary loyalty to Israel rather than America. This is not unprecedented. A small but devoted group of ethnically defined Americans led by Julius and Ethyl Rosenberg displayed their primary loyalty to a foreign country by stealing the secrets of the atomic bomb and delivering them to the USSR. Thanks to Roy Cohn, coincidently Trump's lawyer, and Judge Stanley Kaufman, the mainstream of that ethnic group was weaned from this allure of communism and wrenched back into primary loyalty to the United States. But 60 years have passed and the allure of a foreign ideology now motivates AIPAC, the Anti.Defamation League and particularly Dershowitz who announced he is donating a substantial part of his fortune to Israel, but only to Israeli Jews, not the Christians or Muslims.. Young Christians were good enough for sexual pleasure in the Epstein Pedophile Grooming Organization, but are otherwise apparently disregardable.
Robert Kennedy wrote a book about the Mafia: " The Enemy Within". Yet the Mafia integrated into America to the extent where they were not primarily loyal to a foreign state or foreign ideology. They proved that in World War 2.. AIPAC with primary loyalty to Israel acts as a foreign agent and controls American publicly elected officials thru massive election donations and individual minders for each Congressman and Senator. holding them on a short leash.
AIPAC, determines the public discourse about the Mideast thru control of media and the use of the flexible epithet "antisemitic", and determines which government officials get appointed to determine American Mideast policy. Just yesterday Mr Boehler, America's envoy to the Mideast was forced to resign after massive criticism from the Israeli media and Netanyahu for negotiating with Hamas without Israeli permission. The American elite seems to have delegated American sovereignty to the AIPAC lobby .
The ruling in Brandenberg is more nuanced than your second sentence. The salient point is that in that particular restive situation in Ohio, speech may be prohibited if directed to incite or produce imminent illegal action -AND was likely to do so.
So as a Hypo, arguably Brandenberg incitements may not be prohibited 1) if the audience is just Dersh and fellow geriatric hard core zionists where age-related physical and/or mental infirmities preclude realistic possibility of illegal action 2) if the audience is a bunch of pussies 3) if the audience is quadroplegics. You may find other interesting additions. But the term "illegal action" is more comprehensive than violence. There are certainly some de minimus boundaries: probably civil disobedience is within the scope of "illegal action" but not jaywalking, littering or spitting on the sidewalk.
Oooh, uncharitable. Second paragraph proves lack of sufficient legal knowledge. You should not be giving legal advice if you have gone to Law School, covid may have accounted for absence on the relevant day of instruction,. Or else maybe you jut opine about what you have no expertise on. Touche Diana. you should find more to write about than correcting typos (first paragraph) How do you feel about the organized pedophilia cover.up, or is it just typos that are of concdern.(intentional typo)
My fear is that one day the evolving left wing Squad and the successor to Bernie Sanders will be in the Whitehouse. Will they use ICE to deport Israelis because they will say “if you are Israeli you are guilty of genocide”. Truth does not matter to the vindictive to the antisemite to the ignorant. The BDS movement is deeply imbedded in the left. For many in Washington it is a badge of honor to sign on to Israel’s destruction.
That is intellectual elitism. Just because you fall in the top 2% of all IQs does not mean you can reason better than others. You’re proposing a Platonic style Republic where the gold soul Philosopher Kings rule over everyone else. My question is who determines how they are chosen? Our Founding Fathers, some of whom were brilliant, and who evaluated all types of governments, understood the frailty of human nature, and put their faith in the citizens to determine who was best to represent them. They knew there is no perfect system.
You might be a member of MENSA, but that doesn’t mean you have the understanding needed to be a legislator, or run a company.
They’re totalitarians at heart, so any precedent will be taken advantage of if it suits their cause, or ignored. I think the more important issue is preventing the current administration from also going down that path because it’s expedient, of “popular.”
We are citizens of the USA-we pay taxes here. We fought for freedom for American citizens. (and fought for freedom around the world!) We have done our part around the world. My mother was not an American citizen. She was required to register every year as a Resident Alien. She was not allowed to vote unless/until she became an American citizen. As a student in another country- I was not allowed to vote there. Or, work…you are a “guest” in a country that is not your own. And, in most countries-you better behave!
An ACLU lawyer is pinned to the ground and spit on and called a dirty Zionist Jew. A cop comes over to knock the perpetrator of this antisemitic hate crime off of the lawyer. The lawyer springs to his feet with a bloody nose and black eye. He yells at the cop, “you are violating this man’s right of free speech”!
The issue is whether the behavior is consistent with a reasonably expansive interpretation of the concept "speech". Burning an American flag was for decades punishable but in the lat few decades, thanks to the free speech of us patriotic Vietnam War protestors , is now accepted by the Supreme Court a protected free speech. So you can light your marshmellow fire with the flag free from police persecution. It may even be a daily event. Murdering someone is not. within the cope of free speech. Generally violent activity or personal physical threats will be too reprehensible and more of a public threat to safety than burning a flag, and therefore will not qualify being within the cope of "free speech". To judge the activities of the Iranians, you have to fairly describe those activities. If they were merely buring the American flag, shouting "Mar Al Amrika" or behaving loutish, the revocations of visas may have been unsupported in law. American visa residents also have constitutional protections, just like you.
I certainly want to thank you for burning those flags, spitting on my military family members when they answered the call and served in Vietnam, and protested when they came home and were called Baby killers” by brave “patriots “ who tried to shame them. You’re no patriot.
You are welcome for your first clause.. As to the rest: Just submitting to forced participation, doing whatever is required regardless of concern about morality is not praiseworthy. Herded sheep are said to do that. You steal valour when claiming laurels simply because your family "served"/submitted. . Exactly how they served decides the laurels .Burning flags at least arguably was far more valorous than submitting, and it helped bring about what submission could not: an end to that war started by a Foreign Policy elite stuck on the inapplicable term "Domino Effect". Just doing what is required is"Good soldier Schweick" territory, not an exculpation of moral or legal responsibility. Humans are in relevant circumstance expected to apply morality to their actions. And here comes the leitmotif of the Dershowitz story::
Dershowitz was conjoined for 20 years with Jeffrey Epstein. In that connection arose allegations of Dersh's pedophilic rape of very underage kids groomed and drugged by the Epstein Organization under circumstances where Dershowitz protected Epstein constantly from law enforcement. And then Dersh covered everything up, threatening the kids if they went to the police. Those defamation suits against the penniless 14 year olds and their pro bono lawyers obstructed production of evidence. And what then?
People with those herded sheep mentalities let him get away with avoiding an indictment based upon the pedophilia allegations. No laurels there.
The government does have the right to revoke alien visas for almost any reason. The issue is more complex with a green card, but green card holders are still aliens and not US citizens. They don’t have the rights of citizens. They are on probation and allowed to work here, but they cannot legally vote. The issue is did he block students from going to class, and possibly assault them. That goes beyond free speech and would be a deportable offense.
Maybe I am thick. In what way, shape or form is organizing protests that taunt and blockade students because of their beliefs a protected right in the United States? Yes feel free to stand in the quad and read from the Hamas charter but do not disrupt or violate my civil rights or private property. Students paid for an education that depends on freedom of movement on the Columbia Campus. Mahmoud Khalil is responsible for violating the civil rights and property rights of Columbia University students. It is not a free speech issue it’s a harassment and intimidation issue.
This has nothing to do with free speech. It has everything to do with illegal actions and activities he stoked on campus. There's no room for antisemitism or any hate on our college campuses.
The starting point is defining "antisemitism" and its scope.. Is any criticism of any Jew's behaviour antisemitic?. Doe the IHRC correctly.--- as the House of Representatives determined last year under AIPAC prodding,--- define the expansive scope of "antisemitism"? Under what conditions can the current governmental actions of Israel ever be criticized in America? Are you in favor of amending the First Amendment to exclude students? Or non-citizen students? If one is concerned that the Israel Lobby is too controlling as to American Mideast policy,who gets appointed to implement it and the content of the American public discourse, then how can one frame an objection without being attacked as "antisemitic"? .Is it antisemitic to point out a fact that an ethnic minority of 2% is actually 23% of the Columbia University Student body? Is there too much power in one ethnic group, and is it antisemitic to point this out as needing correction? Is it antisemitic to object to America starting a war with Iran to satisfy Mr Netanyahu's demands? Is there any limit to fulfilling his demands when he is backed by AIPAC??
Isn’t the starting point determining what the actions are? If you shout a bunch of stuff, that’s one thing, but if your group purposely targets the Hillel, the Jewish/Hillel-sponsored events, surrounds people trying to go through campus with masked individuals and blocks their way, breaks into buildings, disrupts study time at libraries during finals, all the while shouting your free-speech protected genocidal slogans, that’s something else.
That is correct of course. Free speech requires the elite to tolerate the opinions of a dissident up to the point of incitement which may itself be construed as criminal activity. Free speech connects to the premise of freedom of thought, requiring action, a concrete manifestation,as a condition for punishment. This has been modified by including incitement within the scope of "punishable action".
Theoretically quite different from free speech, punishable criminal action, including incitement is linked to mean for causing personal injury or property damage or threats of these, and even simply violating laws against unlicensed assembly.
We should not stray too far from the theme of this podcast, it of course always Mr Dershowitz himself. His alleged participation in serial pedophilic rape is relevant since his alleged criminal actions seem to be an exception to the Constitutional mandate of equal justice. For him, there is no an legal application of indictment to establish veracity of allegations. The prosecutors simply ignore allegations of what happened to 12.14 year old children despite existence of ¨statutory rape laws. And then every detail was covered up.
Pedophilic thought alone without actions is not punishable in American Law. But Dersh's alleged serial pedophilic rapes of 14 year old groomed children is criminal action but only if he is judicially found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Yet Dersh has not even been indicted because of his Celebrity use of ideological/political influence, money and a certain frequently used epithet to thwart the American prosecutorial system while the cover-up prevents rock solid fully informed discussion of the circumstances of Dersh's activities. We are allowed to complain about Dershowitz's evasion of a trial by jury but we cannot act meaningfully to bring about that indictment. Because Dersh has the power to be the exception to criminal punishment. Loud complaints with free speech protection get us only the pro forma release of lot of pages of Black-Ink-redacted flight logs, which are absolutely irrelevant to pedo activity (Epstein did not run a kiddie Mile High Club), while government agency pedo investigations of Dersh and Epstein remain as sealed as JFK's body. So Dersh gets away avoiding trial.
No this an Opening Statement for the trial of Dershowitz.. If the cover-up is ever lifted, then I will be able to tell the jury everything proveable, And it will determine whether Dersh was falsely accused by bevy of 12-14 year old "prostitutes, liars and thieves" (Dersh's leitmotif,not mine) or whether he committed some of the most evil crime imaginable against quite young impressionable kids left with a life of post traumatic stress.
If prosecutors still will not indict Dersh because of their careerism, we could have a trial right here on the Dershow forum. We can charge Dersh with the pedo allegations and Dersh can try to defend himself with his characteristic ad hominem attacks. Dersh will meanwhile be earning a new fortune from the massively increased Dershow viewership. This fortune he can give to his foundation which devote support exclusively to Israeli Jewish projects. If he loses the Derhow trial, no worry, there is no punishment by law. He can continue, orating "there are no innocents in Gaza" excepting of course the IDF "the most moral army in the world." He can remain a warmonger for American bombing of Iran to defend Israeli security. He can present ideas for how Christian and Muslims can be deported from Gaza and the West Bank so Israel need no longer be an Apartheid State.
Assuming it's the same commenter, "Smithson" is an obsessive antisemitic troll who also infests the NYT comment sections. He/she/it will peddle any pseudo-argument as long as it's adverse to Jewish people.
If Mahmoud Khalil committed illegal actions or activities, he should be prosecuted under the laws that made those actions or activities illegal. He hasn't been, and I've seen no evidence he broke any law.
Of course the issue is not whether he broke any law. The issue is whether he as a foreigner has a right to criticize Israel and the Israel lobby. Settled Law tells you that is not an issue, but Preident Trump received UD 100 million dollars in campaign support from Miriam Adelsten, a 90 year old Jerusalem resident who supports hard core zionist projects. She is looking for some return on her investment, and Khalil seems to be low-hanging fruit.
BTW, cannot resist this. Sarah Ransomme, a young girl groomed by Epstein, alleged she also was forcibly raped by Dershowitz, She described his geriatric flesh flabs, eczema-infected naked body in a deposition, emphasizing very low-hanging testicles, apparently victim of the power of gravity on the unfit . Dersh successfully resisted a police physical examination meant to confirm the veracity of the description, but that "low hanging fruit " description sticks in the memory.
In a constitutional republic your rights extend only to the point you limit the rights of others. It looks like this is the situation with this individual. He limited the rights of students at the university to learn and move freely about the campus.
That’s why the school lost their federal funding. How about you walking down the street and he and a group of his cronies start harassing you? Read the first amendment legal interpretations and the full bill of rights.
That’s not relevant. The case here is not first amendment rights it is whether he violated the immigration act as he is not a full citizen but an LPR. If the DOJ has evidence that ties his money and acts to Iran and was paid to protest professionally it all over.
Of course not. While all the idiots are running around arguing the alien act of 1798 the DOJ is using the immigration act. The gangs are illegals aliens. Just throwing confusion to the enemy.
Other individuals can limit your rights when their actions infringe upon your freedoms or safety, such as through harassment, discrimination, or violence. In some cases, laws may also restrict rights to protect the rights and safety of others in the community. This is what is happening on campuses by pro terrorist protesters supported by external nations.
I did not propose anything. It’s constitutional law. The evidence is in the videos at all the campuses. This same crap went on in the 60’s at Kent State.
Rt: I know. The other side of the "But" is coming. I read lot of history and am always citing it to support a recent passionate opinion, like why Dershowitz needs to be criminally indicted for pedophilia. But historical analogies rarely are exactly applicable and the analogy then does not serve as a guide for the future.. Too many other corollary events have influenced what happened and those events hardly ever always occur in the same combination,. The Democrats dogmatically and thoughtlessly applied history to say Trump was Hitler. He wasn't but the point was to make an emotional truth. Anyone seeking peace with Russia becomes a "Chamberlain" and his diplomacy is dismissed as "munich".
Dershowitz is on a mission to start a war between America and
Iran to benefit the Israeli security state. What historical analogy do you think applies? IMHO the starting point is that Dersh is a foreign agent with a primary loyalty to a foreign country/ideology. Just like Julius and Ethyl Rosenberg and the their Atomic Spy group in the 1950'. The only difference in loyalty was which ideology was picked.. The Rosenberg group was loyal to the USSR and Communism rather than Dershowitz's and Epstein's loyalty to Israel and Zionism, but it is the primary loyalty to a foreign ideology that is central to the analogy. Can we conclude thru this analogy that quite aside from allegations of serial pedophilia specifically naming Dersh and Epstein, Dersh is at least as evil and merits at least the same opprobrium as the Rosenbergs?
I agree with all. Dershowitz is an unknown to me but has the same educational stance as most academics. I flew in the Middle East many years and it’s very dangerous. Had the Bushes not started that war mentality we would be miles ahead. OBL was a creation of the U.S. that backfired when he got to Afghanistan. All the CIA dirty tricks are coming back in spades. You are correct that to piece anything together is difficult because so much is hidden.
A key goal of the Muslim Brotherhood, the parent of Hamas, is "the destruction of Western civilization from within". Islam is completely hostile and subversive to the U.S. Constitution; it's about the merger of "church" and state with no individual rights. It's a totalitarian political ideology. The "protestors" are actually enemy combatants who fully support terrorism and barbarian practices such as murder, rape, and torture. If allowed, they will use the Constitution to destroy our country. We have thousands of students, politicians and judges who are so ignorant that they don't recognize the threat (or they are the enemy within).
The deportation of all Muslims, terrorists or not,needs to become the norm in the United States. I totally agree with you, Jim O'Brien. The enemy within are all Muslims. Any visa student groups who are funded or backed by known terrorist organizations need to have their student visas revoked and deported. The cultist, evil, fake religion of Islam is destroying our United States.
An Explanatory Memorandum on the General Strategic Goal for the Brotherhood in North America
by Mohamed Akram
May 19, 1991
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Summary:
This May 1991 memo was written by Mohamed Akram, a.k.a. Mohamed Adlouni, for the Shura Council of the Muslim Brotherhood. In the introductory letter, Akram referenced a "long-term plan…approved and adopted" by the Shura Council in 1987 and proposed this memo as a supplement to that plan and requested that the memo be added to the agenda for an upcoming Council meeting. Appended to the document is a list of all Muslim Brotherhood organizations in North America as of 1991.
Notable quotes:
Enablement of Islam in North America, meaning: establishing an effective and stable Islamic Movement led by the Muslim Brotherhood which adopts Muslims' causes domestically and globally, and which works to expand the observant Muslim base, aims at unifying and directing Muslims' efforts, presents Islam as a civilization alternative, and supports the global Islamic state, wherever it is.
In order for Islam and its Movement to become "a part of the homeland" in which it lives, "stable" in its land, "rooted" in the spirits and minds of its people, "enabled" in the live [sic] of its society and has firmly-established "organizations" on which the Islamic structure is built and with which the testimony of civilization is achieved, the Movement must plan and struggle to obtain "the keys" and the tools of this process in carry [sic] out this grand mission as a "Civilization Jihadist" responsibility which lies on the shoulders of Muslims and – on top of them – the Muslim Brotherhood in this country.
The process of settlement is a "Civilization-Jihadist Proecess" with all the word means. The Ikhwan must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and "sabotaging" its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God's religion is made victorious over all other religions. Without this level of understanding, we are not up to this challenge and have not prepared ourselves for Jihad yet. It is a Muslim's destiny to perform Jihad and work wherever he is and wherever he lands until the final hour comes, and there is no escape from that destiny except for those who chose to slack. But, would the slackers and the Mujahedeen be equal.
Right on! I have lived and flown for Middle Eastern airlines so I have seen first hand the brutality of the religion. Convert or be killed. Right from the Koran.
The Constitution accepts the idea of tolerating opposition to it. That of course the point of free speech protection. Political change and evolution and fighting everpresent corruption and oppression have generally been accepted a being inevitable adaptations to changing environments. The sainted counterculture was based upon changing fundamentally the then-current corrupted Western civilisation from within, and that is what happened despite the Chicago police riot in 1968 and the long war between the kids and the establishment. The Constitution was interpreted on the side of change. All those flags I burned contributed to an enlightened Supreme Court decision that flag burning is within the scope of free speech. Your point seems to be that an alien group cannot be allowed to take corruptly or violently take control of American foreign policy and American agendas- That is correct and the reason America has a Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA). Yet neither AIPAC nor Dershowitz have registered and they are clearly devoted to a foreign country, its interests and its ideology. And AIPAC seems to own American elected officials thru its hefty re-election contributions, see the Open Secrets website, Did Netanyahu really get 165 standing ovations addressing Congress? What Americn even gets five? Then there is money, especially that of Senator Jackie Rosen, representing AIPAC , underscoring how rich you can get on government pay. What the Muslim Brothered say is just empty talk. like "in their dreams". AIPAC has already done it.
I am not a lawyer, and therefore it is important for me to understand the distinction. During the Christmas Tree lighting ceremony at the Rockefeller Center protesters were chanting: “Gas the Jews”. The police stood around them without taking any action. The free speech advocates explained to me that it was protected speech even though it was hate speech. Sounded like inciting violence to me, but maybe it was not incitement to imminent violence. Are we splitting hairs and is there a clear law?
There is clear case law. It is not inciting to violence to say "gas the Jews" because you are not telling your audience to do something imminently -- to grab Jews there and gas them somehow. It's hate speech but not incitement to murder.
It's like when some people who stormed the Capitol on January 6, 2021 were chanting "hang Mike Pence". Was that an incitement to murder? There was a gallows erected outside,
and Mike Pence was in the building, so it would seem so.
No, it wasn't incitement to murder. They weren't looking for Mike Pence and showed no signs of being serious. The gallows was a nonfunctional prop a quarter of a mile away on the Mall.
Something in Skokie may have been contagious with a long incubation period. The Nazi virus of opposition to free speech and to the core value of human equality has after a lead time of 4 decades, erupted i Dersh, just like Herpes Zoster ..Maybe it is Karma for the Genocide incitement.
May the skate park that you built for the Jews and specifically the Alans between your ears for them to grind away daily, continue to be fully populated with happy healthy populous families, did you see that Israel is the fifth happiest country in the world?
His free speech right is the red herring in this case for him. His speech is what will convict him of belonging to a terrorist group(CUAD)and being the spokesperson and negotiator for that group falls under the category of terrorist organization.
Problem is not simple. Have to define the term. What if it is freedom fighting? What if there no other way to fight an oppressor, extremely well armed.? Did you know the history of how Jewish terrorism was the foundation of the State of Israel.. Start with reading about the assassination of the UN envoy Folke Bernadotte, the hangings of captured British soldiers and learn about Menachem Begin and Levi Eshkol. There is even an israeli film about the Jewish terrorism (not very good, needs a Hollywood production).
Your comments boil down to the extrajudicial inhumanity.of enslavement to a particular ethnic narrative . You are not alone but you are in ignorance of humanity's higher values. You write "It is a good thing Folke Bernadotte died". No point at all to say "Shame on you" because that feeling is foreign to you, just like empathy for the civilian in Gaza. , Whatever empathy resides in you is ethnically limited,. That is an evolutionary and educational indictment of you. J'accuse. The British sergeants, you say, deserved to be hanged (extrajudicially, after three years fighting Nazis) because British courts hanged Irgun terrorist gunmen, "Hamas is an army of sociopaths". Remarkable. Do you simply write as an alternative to onani, to get out your frustrations with life ? You realize the extent of the Jewish Terror but ignore it in your narrative. Where is insight in your comment. You just plagiarize Dershowitz's leitmotif "Just follow the path of Nazi terror, it is ok because Jews were the victim and can do no wrong". Well, sez who?
I guess you're answering with AI or in this case AS , artificial stupidity . I also guess you're aa human bot . In any case , I don't have time for you .
He dwells on Jews, and I've commented that he's fixated on Alan too.
I like the artificial stupidity analysis, the derangement of these folks indicates they've of their own will built skate parks between their ears for healthy happy Jewish families to grind away daily all day everyday rent free.
Kind of like stalkers thinking about something fixating on them everything revolves around them bringing them up in every conversation with anybody every time, Gad Saad's phrase is 6 degrees of Jew to describe how they artificially stupidly spew words incessantly about the implausible yet with certainty cause that the Jews are behind it all
I just checked the troll w/initials GS’s profile. He follows Caitlin Johnstone, my least favorite Hamas & Kremlin loving Substacker (besides the many Neo-Nazis themselves).
Her name on anyone’s follow list is an automatic block for them from me, no exceptions.
Whining about AIPAC & a certain ethnic group holding too much power would have been enough for me, too, though.
The land of the Jews has been attacked for centuries. Jews have been hated for centuries. I stand with Israel against the Hamas terrorist organization. Genocide of Hamas and the land they inhabit, Gaza, needs to continue. The Israelites wiped the Canaanites out of existence. Let that happen again.
Mr Bates thinks exactly like a terrorist, the same mentality for both Arab and Jewish terrorists. But it is likely he is just talk; he doe not put his own life on the line but incites others to do the terror, just like Messrs. Netanyahu and Dershowitz. So the cycle of death to the unarmed and vulnerable continues with no effort at understanding or compromise.The Christ said those who live by the gun die by the gun. That is the fate of the Arab nation and the Jewish State. Let it be.. .
I don’t know anything about the situation, but I have a question. I would assume that he did not act alone, and his actions were in the context of something broader. Is there any evidence of organizations that he was part of, whether formal or informal, that committed acts against Jewish students?
There is also no knowledge about the background which may be at least partly exculpatory. Like with Dersh to defend against the pedo allegations. he might argue he was on medication, that he took dopamine agonistes for incipient Parkinson's, and that had the documented side effect of frequently causing pedophilic urges. Understanding of situations is important in assessing a required criminal intent.
Grok: Khalil completed a master’s degree at Columbia University’s School of International and Public Affairs (SIPA) in December 2024. During his time at Columbia, he became a central figure in the university’s pro-Palestinian movement, particularly during the spring of 2024. That semester, students established a "Gaza Solidarity Encampment" on campus to protest Israel’s military actions in Gaza and demand that Columbia divest from companies with ties to Israel. As a lead negotiator for Columbia University Apartheid Divest (CUAD), Khalil played a key role in mediating between the student protesters and university administrators. Unlike many peers who remained anonymous, he was one of the few willing to publicly identify himself, frequently speaking to the media and articulating the movement’s demands. His visibility made him a recognizable face of the protests.
I see nothing punishable in this description, nor do I see reason for curtailing his visa. Dershowitz does because he habitually corrupts the law to reflect his hard core zionist bias . That may be why he never was appointed to a judgeship. If punitive action is taken against Khailil, the case will ultimately win, but needs to be fought despite the expectations of loss at lower levels. New York and local Federal Courts, as well State Appellate Courts are notoriously politically corrupted (remember the lawfare against Trump).The cae will ultimately win at the Supreme Court.
Imagine if you spoke up with 1% of this energy against Leticia James stealing the vdare empire from them, but your jew derangement syndrome kept you distracted with hours a day on Alan dershowitz's blog displaying your israel/jew/allen dershowitz arrangement syndrome, forever onward with your people's gentile disunity and not mutuality, lack of reciprocity, you're a spiteful miserable bunch amongst each other with the Protestants hating the Catholics the wasps hating the swarthy, and all of Christendom hatting the Mormons which clearly are the true christians, nicest Temple most modern incarnation of theology and what charming wholesome door knockers, but you trad cons hate on them all while indulging in sportsball NASCAR and infidelity with a high alcohol input.
So much free association here, you fail to present a point that might be persuadable. Perhaps your answer needs some editing, but your words spew out like some involuntary movement of bodily expulsion. Presumably you have some need for proofreading, not to mention precision. Nothing critical has been written by me about Jews in general. Just about some bad guys who happen identify publicly as jews and allegedly committed pedophilia or incited Genocide. I am a big fan of Witkoff Chomsky JStreet Benny Begin and Jews for Peace. . Your lack of proofreading and precision disrepects your reader:s: "jew derangement syndrome" in line two becomes "jew/alan dershowitz arrangement syndrome" in line 3. It seems important for you to find bogeyman even when there i none under the bed. But on the other hand those girls say Dershowitz really was the bogeyman under the bed at night. Yet he has avoided a trial to test the veracity of their allegation. Maybe before you openly admire him, you should find a way to sleep with him and as the girls allege, experience his body in all its grey pallor and skin flaps. . They say he was a lousy lay and their participation was non-consensual.. Surely it is not antisemitic to complain of Derhowitz's cover up and his avoidance of trial on the allegations. You see the difference between a bushel of generally good apples with a few rotten ones on top.
built on pragmatic coexistence or even form a civic ethos of their own, unshackled from the destructive impulses that have repeatedly manifested in violence. Today, those hopes reach their end.
The Crumbling Legitimacy of "Palestine"
The concept of a sovereign Palestinian state was, at its inception, interwoven with big ideas: anti-imperial liberation, the romance of revolution, global anti-capitalism, and the quest for national self-determination. But subsequent decades have shown that the Palestinians never grasped the viable political path. Instead, an identity was cultivated on an endless cycle of grievance, victimhood, and, all too often, terror as a method of expression celebrated and valorized by the most depraved elite Western intellectuals, including their Arab and Jewish radical acolytes, sitting at the summit of the Western culture and education. By now, it should be clear to all that when your primary currency is kidnapping civilians and parading their remains to public cheers, you forfeit whatever moral capital a national struggle might once have enjoyed.
For decades, outside observers believed that nationhood was the necessary answer to the 1948 Palestinian dispossession. This event, now thoroughly mythologized as the Nakba, has been elevated to near-sacred status. Dim-witted Westerners pronounce the Arabic exotic word with a slow, yogic accent as if reciting a Sanskrit prayer. Meanwhile, swindling Arab brahmans of the Edward Said type peddle this myth. They are exactly the kind of exotic intellectual yogis that Western elites and institutions
Lebanon was the only Christian-majority nation in the Middle East.
It's where I was born.
We prided ourselves on inclusivity. Always welcoming Arab Muslim refugees from all over the Middle East.
We had the best economy despite having no natural oil. The best universities.
They called Beirut the "Paris of the Middle East" and the Mountains of Lebanon was a tourist destination.
My early childhood was idyllic, my father was a prosperous businessman in town and my mother was at home with me, an only child.
Slowly, the Arab Muslims began to become the majority in Lebanon and our rights began to wither away.
Soon, we would find ourselves unable to leave our small Christian town without fear of being stopped and killed by Arabs. In Lebanon your religion is on your government issued ID.
As the war intensified and the radical Islamists made their way south, my home was hit by an errant rocket and my life was forever changed.
We spent the next almost decade in a bomb shelter, scraping together pennies and eating dandelions and roots just to survive.
If it was not for Israel coming in and surrounding our town, I do not know If I would be here today.
Lebanon is now a country 100% controlled and run by Hezbollah. I lost my country of birth.
I thank God every single day I was able to immigrate to America and live out the dream that BILLIONS of people only dream of having.
Now here in America, my adopted country that I have come to love so much, I see the same threats and warning signs happening now that took place in Lebanon when I was a child.
This is my warning to you, America, reverse course now while you still can.
It's not too late to save our freedom and preserve it for the next generation.
I don’t see anything punishable in this description, either, however, I am not willing to base my conclusion on this description alone. I am assuming Dershowitz did not use grok to reaches conclusion of curtailing the visa. And you did not explain how he corrupts the law in this case, except to use the Zionist label to dismiss him. Sorry, labeling and name-calling do not do it for me.
There is Eyesight for the Blind if you choose to illuminate your knowledge . You may start with investigative reporter Connie Bruch' feature article on Dershowitz, pedophilia and hush money in New Yorker July 29 2019. then move on to Julie Brown's prizewinning three part series on Dersh and pedophilia in the Miami Herald. She spoke to many of the children, tracing about 80 of the 250 victim. . There is enough other data on Dershowitz allegations on google to keep you fully occupied for month,providing you are a seeker of the truth. If the cover--up were ended, with release of police and FBI/CIA criminal pedo investigations of Dersh this theme could become your life's work.
And yet the Democratic Party is not standing on pure first amendment grounds. (Nor could they with their constant demands to block free and peaceful speech they dislike). They are defending this Jew hating terror supporting cockroach as a martyr.
Under intersectionality, Palestinians are "victims". This is why we are even having this discussion about a terrorist supporter and probably terrorist employee.
Keeping students locked in a room, banging ON WINDOWS with their THREATS on signs as well, screaming at them directly should they attempt to exit that room with threats are real threats but not grounds to use the Second Amendment. If a legally armed student attempted exit from that room and then was attacked , knocked to the ground, punched, kicked, he should utilize that weapon IMO.
That is where the First Amendment ends . That is where the Second Amendment takes over, IMO.
But anything can happen in NY State as we have seen numerous times .
As far as deportation and loss of green card status, it is a "no brainer" for me.They openly abuse those precious rights as potential citizens, but serve as legal debate for the lawyers of course. I say , get rid of these types who do not respect their(and our) rights and abuse them, they therefore should lose them.
When someone restricts someone’s freedom of movement, in a room or a car or a closed space - in Virginia - the probable charge is not kidnapping, it is abduction. Oddly, the law does not require a specific time minimum.
...we have in Alan Dershowitz a principled great legal mind. He has demonstrated this for years. A fair and thoughtful man whose opinions are always worth considering.
You're not missing anything. The people who support Khalil, which include the left, the far right, and libertarians, will come up with absolutely any justification that advocates violence against Jews.
But while First Amendment rights apply to US citizens, do they apply equally to foreign nationals in the US? Certainly Second Amendment rights do not: some states require US citizenship, not just permanent residence, to obtain a firearms license.
The State Department lists a number of conditions that can exclude a foreign citizen from entering the US, conditions that could not be applied to US citizens:
Section 3, Security and Related Grounds
"(VII) endorses or espouses terrorist activity or persuades others to endorse or espouse terrorist activity or support a terrorist organization"
Khalil's advocacy for Hamas, a designated terrorist group, would fit
Those who immigrate, permanently or temporarily, to these shores, must submit affidavits affirming that they support no groups designated terrorists by the U.S. These affidavits are submitted with the spelled-out fact that falsifying them makes the subject liable for perjury.
So it may be fairly easy to determine whether any immigrant is guilty of a serious crime.
I am not a lawyer. But I am old enough to remember the obnoxious Iranian students who were wreaking havoc in Washington, D.C. around 1979-80. Our government found a way to get their student visas revoked and sent them packng. Might this serve as some sort of legal precedent?
Yes it might. Alan is letting his defense attorney soul get the better of him. Advocating for terror and the murder and assault of Jews when you are actually in the presence of Jews is not a free speech right. See Beandeburg c. Ohio. He was spouting theoretical exhortations. He had Jews in front of him which he wanted people to attack as he advocated the murder of Jews in the Middle East. Not a close case. Goodbye.
He is not a citizen; he is a permanent resident. A green card holder. Even with that, does he have rights that American citizens do? Beyond that, does he have any right to use freedom of speech to incite or call for violence? Does that not violate the 1st Amendment for American citizens as well?
Diane: same rights and constraints as a citizen. Dersh would agree were he not infected by his narrative..
Resident aliens - which is what they are called and visa holders do not have all the protections and rights of citizens. There is no such thing as a “permanent resident” they are not permanent.
In order to stay, they have to renew their green card periodically and they are subject to the rules and regulations relating to permitted resident aliens. You can’t throw an American citizen out of the country easily, although there are circumstances in which you can take back a naturalized status. Resident aliens and Visa card holders are here under a certain permissions and regulations. They therefore do not have all the rights of American citizens. I know this is hard to accept because the mainstream media tells you otherwise, but that is what the law and
Oh Mary. your first paragraph contradicts American Federal Law. It is o easy to research on google before writing. "Visa card holders" probably is not meant to connect credit card to green cards. Yes, resident alien have all the same rights and obligations of citizens. Having to renew the status and follow regulations does not carry sufficient weight to change rights granted by the Constitution. If you do not like that they have the same rights, the Constitution is available for amending.by Congress
No. Not the same rights as a citizen.
Prove it,Diana.
You prove that they do. Then I'll respond.
First off - they do not have the right to vote. Certain public offices are also forbidden to them.
If he was protesting against black students, passing out flyers for the KKK, and preventing them from attending their classes or feeling safe on their own campus- would you look at the situation any differently?
No need to "what if":
Just look at the furor and labelling as an existential threat the 2020 candidacy of Joe Lieberman; a book and fiction at that.
Display the Hopkins [Gadsden] flag and woe be to them. Once a symbol of unity and defiance ultimately redefined to be a racist symbol; going even as far as cause for EEOC filing.
Terta's comment is an example of a primary loyalty to Israel rather than America. This is not unprecedented. A small but devoted group of ethnically defined Americans led by Julius and Ethyl Rosenberg displayed their primary loyalty to a foreign country by stealing the secrets of the atomic bomb and delivering them to the USSR. Thanks to Roy Cohn, coincidently Trump's lawyer, and Judge Stanley Kaufman, the mainstream of that ethnic group was weaned from this allure of communism and wrenched back into primary loyalty to the United States. But 60 years have passed and the allure of a foreign ideology now motivates AIPAC, the Anti.Defamation League and particularly Dershowitz who announced he is donating a substantial part of his fortune to Israel, but only to Israeli Jews, not the Christians or Muslims.. Young Christians were good enough for sexual pleasure in the Epstein Pedophile Grooming Organization, but are otherwise apparently disregardable.
Robert Kennedy wrote a book about the Mafia: " The Enemy Within". Yet the Mafia integrated into America to the extent where they were not primarily loyal to a foreign state or foreign ideology. They proved that in World War 2.. AIPAC with primary loyalty to Israel acts as a foreign agent and controls American publicly elected officials thru massive election donations and individual minders for each Congressman and Senator. holding them on a short leash.
AIPAC, determines the public discourse about the Mideast thru control of media and the use of the flexible epithet "antisemitic", and determines which government officials get appointed to determine American Mideast policy. Just yesterday Mr Boehler, America's envoy to the Mideast was forced to resign after massive criticism from the Israeli media and Netanyahu for negotiating with Hamas without Israeli permission. The American elite seems to have delegated American sovereignty to the AIPAC lobby .
This sounds like Adolf's hyperbole.
Drop the innuendo and judge by truth.
Mary;
The ruling in Brandenberg is more nuanced than your second sentence. The salient point is that in that particular restive situation in Ohio, speech may be prohibited if directed to incite or produce imminent illegal action -AND was likely to do so.
So as a Hypo, arguably Brandenberg incitements may not be prohibited 1) if the audience is just Dersh and fellow geriatric hard core zionists where age-related physical and/or mental infirmities preclude realistic possibility of illegal action 2) if the audience is a bunch of pussies 3) if the audience is quadroplegics. You may find other interesting additions. But the term "illegal action" is more comprehensive than violence. There are certainly some de minimus boundaries: probably civil disobedience is within the scope of "illegal action" but not jaywalking, littering or spitting on the sidewalk.
First learn to spell Brandenburg, then look it up. An American citizen speaking very conditionally.
This is strictly an immigration case. The guy had a green card and he supports terrorism. This is not a 1A case.
Oooh, uncharitable. Second paragraph proves lack of sufficient legal knowledge. You should not be giving legal advice if you have gone to Law School, covid may have accounted for absence on the relevant day of instruction,. Or else maybe you jut opine about what you have no expertise on. Touche Diana. you should find more to write about than correcting typos (first paragraph) How do you feel about the organized pedophilia cover.up, or is it just typos that are of concdern.(intentional typo)
My fear is that one day the evolving left wing Squad and the successor to Bernie Sanders will be in the Whitehouse. Will they use ICE to deport Israelis because they will say “if you are Israeli you are guilty of genocide”. Truth does not matter to the vindictive to the antisemite to the ignorant. The BDS movement is deeply imbedded in the left. For many in Washington it is a badge of honor to sign on to Israel’s destruction.
The solution is mandatory IQ of 130 or over for all public officials. Capacity to understand is key.
That is intellectual elitism. Just because you fall in the top 2% of all IQs does not mean you can reason better than others. You’re proposing a Platonic style Republic where the gold soul Philosopher Kings rule over everyone else. My question is who determines how they are chosen? Our Founding Fathers, some of whom were brilliant, and who evaluated all types of governments, understood the frailty of human nature, and put their faith in the citizens to determine who was best to represent them. They knew there is no perfect system.
You might be a member of MENSA, but that doesn’t mean you have the understanding needed to be a legislator, or run a company.
This is exactly my fear
They’re totalitarians at heart, so any precedent will be taken advantage of if it suits their cause, or ignored. I think the more important issue is preventing the current administration from also going down that path because it’s expedient, of “popular.”
We have heard no evidence of “wreaking havoc” in the present case. Besides which, this guy has a green card, not just a student visa.
Yes, he is a Boy Scout.
We are citizens of the USA-we pay taxes here. We fought for freedom for American citizens. (and fought for freedom around the world!) We have done our part around the world. My mother was not an American citizen. She was required to register every year as a Resident Alien. She was not allowed to vote unless/until she became an American citizen. As a student in another country- I was not allowed to vote there. Or, work…you are a “guest” in a country that is not your own. And, in most countries-you better behave!
An ACLU lawyer is pinned to the ground and spit on and called a dirty Zionist Jew. A cop comes over to knock the perpetrator of this antisemitic hate crime off of the lawyer. The lawyer springs to his feet with a bloody nose and black eye. He yells at the cop, “you are violating this man’s right of free speech”!
The issue is whether the behavior is consistent with a reasonably expansive interpretation of the concept "speech". Burning an American flag was for decades punishable but in the lat few decades, thanks to the free speech of us patriotic Vietnam War protestors , is now accepted by the Supreme Court a protected free speech. So you can light your marshmellow fire with the flag free from police persecution. It may even be a daily event. Murdering someone is not. within the cope of free speech. Generally violent activity or personal physical threats will be too reprehensible and more of a public threat to safety than burning a flag, and therefore will not qualify being within the cope of "free speech". To judge the activities of the Iranians, you have to fairly describe those activities. If they were merely buring the American flag, shouting "Mar Al Amrika" or behaving loutish, the revocations of visas may have been unsupported in law. American visa residents also have constitutional protections, just like you.
I certainly want to thank you for burning those flags, spitting on my military family members when they answered the call and served in Vietnam, and protested when they came home and were called Baby killers” by brave “patriots “ who tried to shame them. You’re no patriot.
Missed the point completely…
You are welcome for your first clause.. As to the rest: Just submitting to forced participation, doing whatever is required regardless of concern about morality is not praiseworthy. Herded sheep are said to do that. You steal valour when claiming laurels simply because your family "served"/submitted. . Exactly how they served decides the laurels .Burning flags at least arguably was far more valorous than submitting, and it helped bring about what submission could not: an end to that war started by a Foreign Policy elite stuck on the inapplicable term "Domino Effect". Just doing what is required is"Good soldier Schweick" territory, not an exculpation of moral or legal responsibility. Humans are in relevant circumstance expected to apply morality to their actions. And here comes the leitmotif of the Dershowitz story::
Dershowitz was conjoined for 20 years with Jeffrey Epstein. In that connection arose allegations of Dersh's pedophilic rape of very underage kids groomed and drugged by the Epstein Organization under circumstances where Dershowitz protected Epstein constantly from law enforcement. And then Dersh covered everything up, threatening the kids if they went to the police. Those defamation suits against the penniless 14 year olds and their pro bono lawyers obstructed production of evidence. And what then?
People with those herded sheep mentalities let him get away with avoiding an indictment based upon the pedophilia allegations. No laurels there.
No, the issue is whether the holder of a green card can support a terrorist organization. He can't.
The government does have the right to revoke alien visas for almost any reason. The issue is more complex with a green card, but green card holders are still aliens and not US citizens. They don’t have the rights of citizens. They are on probation and allowed to work here, but they cannot legally vote. The issue is did he block students from going to class, and possibly assault them. That goes beyond free speech and would be a deportable offense.
Maybe I am thick. In what way, shape or form is organizing protests that taunt and blockade students because of their beliefs a protected right in the United States? Yes feel free to stand in the quad and read from the Hamas charter but do not disrupt or violate my civil rights or private property. Students paid for an education that depends on freedom of movement on the Columbia Campus. Mahmoud Khalil is responsible for violating the civil rights and property rights of Columbia University students. It is not a free speech issue it’s a harassment and intimidation issue.
None of this is an issue if Columbia University upheld its obligation of protecting students in a safe environment. Losing $400 million a pittance.
Hyperbole is not persuasive,
Classic projection, greg
Coincidentally, also true, Barb
This has nothing to do with free speech. It has everything to do with illegal actions and activities he stoked on campus. There's no room for antisemitism or any hate on our college campuses.
The starting point is defining "antisemitism" and its scope.. Is any criticism of any Jew's behaviour antisemitic?. Doe the IHRC correctly.--- as the House of Representatives determined last year under AIPAC prodding,--- define the expansive scope of "antisemitism"? Under what conditions can the current governmental actions of Israel ever be criticized in America? Are you in favor of amending the First Amendment to exclude students? Or non-citizen students? If one is concerned that the Israel Lobby is too controlling as to American Mideast policy,who gets appointed to implement it and the content of the American public discourse, then how can one frame an objection without being attacked as "antisemitic"? .Is it antisemitic to point out a fact that an ethnic minority of 2% is actually 23% of the Columbia University Student body? Is there too much power in one ethnic group, and is it antisemitic to point this out as needing correction? Is it antisemitic to object to America starting a war with Iran to satisfy Mr Netanyahu's demands? Is there any limit to fulfilling his demands when he is backed by AIPAC??
Isn’t the starting point determining what the actions are? If you shout a bunch of stuff, that’s one thing, but if your group purposely targets the Hillel, the Jewish/Hillel-sponsored events, surrounds people trying to go through campus with masked individuals and blocks their way, breaks into buildings, disrupts study time at libraries during finals, all the while shouting your free-speech protected genocidal slogans, that’s something else.
That is correct of course. Free speech requires the elite to tolerate the opinions of a dissident up to the point of incitement which may itself be construed as criminal activity. Free speech connects to the premise of freedom of thought, requiring action, a concrete manifestation,as a condition for punishment. This has been modified by including incitement within the scope of "punishable action".
Theoretically quite different from free speech, punishable criminal action, including incitement is linked to mean for causing personal injury or property damage or threats of these, and even simply violating laws against unlicensed assembly.
We should not stray too far from the theme of this podcast, it of course always Mr Dershowitz himself. His alleged participation in serial pedophilic rape is relevant since his alleged criminal actions seem to be an exception to the Constitutional mandate of equal justice. For him, there is no an legal application of indictment to establish veracity of allegations. The prosecutors simply ignore allegations of what happened to 12.14 year old children despite existence of ¨statutory rape laws. And then every detail was covered up.
Pedophilic thought alone without actions is not punishable in American Law. But Dersh's alleged serial pedophilic rapes of 14 year old groomed children is criminal action but only if he is judicially found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Yet Dersh has not even been indicted because of his Celebrity use of ideological/political influence, money and a certain frequently used epithet to thwart the American prosecutorial system while the cover-up prevents rock solid fully informed discussion of the circumstances of Dersh's activities. We are allowed to complain about Dershowitz's evasion of a trial by jury but we cannot act meaningfully to bring about that indictment. Because Dersh has the power to be the exception to criminal punishment. Loud complaints with free speech protection get us only the pro forma release of lot of pages of Black-Ink-redacted flight logs, which are absolutely irrelevant to pedo activity (Epstein did not run a kiddie Mile High Club), while government agency pedo investigations of Dersh and Epstein remain as sealed as JFK's body. So Dersh gets away avoiding trial.
Leading the witness, Greg as well as hyperbolic
No this an Opening Statement for the trial of Dershowitz.. If the cover-up is ever lifted, then I will be able to tell the jury everything proveable, And it will determine whether Dersh was falsely accused by bevy of 12-14 year old "prostitutes, liars and thieves" (Dersh's leitmotif,not mine) or whether he committed some of the most evil crime imaginable against quite young impressionable kids left with a life of post traumatic stress.
If prosecutors still will not indict Dersh because of their careerism, we could have a trial right here on the Dershow forum. We can charge Dersh with the pedo allegations and Dersh can try to defend himself with his characteristic ad hominem attacks. Dersh will meanwhile be earning a new fortune from the massively increased Dershow viewership. This fortune he can give to his foundation which devote support exclusively to Israeli Jewish projects. If he loses the Derhow trial, no worry, there is no punishment by law. He can continue, orating "there are no innocents in Gaza" excepting of course the IDF "the most moral army in the world." He can remain a warmonger for American bombing of Iran to defend Israeli security. He can present ideas for how Christian and Muslims can be deported from Gaza and the West Bank so Israel need no longer be an Apartheid State.
Assuming it's the same commenter, "Smithson" is an obsessive antisemitic troll who also infests the NYT comment sections. He/she/it will peddle any pseudo-argument as long as it's adverse to Jewish people.
If Mahmoud Khalil committed illegal actions or activities, he should be prosecuted under the laws that made those actions or activities illegal. He hasn't been, and I've seen no evidence he broke any law.
Of course the issue is not whether he broke any law. The issue is whether he as a foreigner has a right to criticize Israel and the Israel lobby. Settled Law tells you that is not an issue, but Preident Trump received UD 100 million dollars in campaign support from Miriam Adelsten, a 90 year old Jerusalem resident who supports hard core zionist projects. She is looking for some return on her investment, and Khalil seems to be low-hanging fruit.
BTW, cannot resist this. Sarah Ransomme, a young girl groomed by Epstein, alleged she also was forcibly raped by Dershowitz, She described his geriatric flesh flabs, eczema-infected naked body in a deposition, emphasizing very low-hanging testicles, apparently victim of the power of gravity on the unfit . Dersh successfully resisted a police physical examination meant to confirm the veracity of the description, but that "low hanging fruit " description sticks in the memory.
So as long as the Genosadists hide behind the antisemitism mommyapron they can commit any crime they want. Got it!
I believe Trump's anti-statism EO significantly nullifies free speech protection.
Free speech is a constitutional protection, overriding executive authority.
In a constitutional republic your rights extend only to the point you limit the rights of others. It looks like this is the situation with this individual. He limited the rights of students at the university to learn and move freely about the campus.
We don’t know that he did anything illegal or against school rules. He did not receive any disciplinary treatment from Columbia.
That’s why the school lost their federal funding. How about you walking down the street and he and a group of his cronies start harassing you? Read the first amendment legal interpretations and the full bill of rights.
That’s not relevant. The case here is not first amendment rights it is whether he violated the immigration act as he is not a full citizen but an LPR. If the DOJ has evidence that ties his money and acts to Iran and was paid to protest professionally it all over.
The government has made no such claim, or any other substantive claim, for that matter.
Of course not. While all the idiots are running around arguing the alien act of 1798 the DOJ is using the immigration act. The gangs are illegals aliens. Just throwing confusion to the enemy.
The school condoned his actions, so why would they press charges?
He was suspended and then reinstated last year
Rt: The standard you propose can onlÿ be determined subjectively.
Other individuals can limit your rights when their actions infringe upon your freedoms or safety, such as through harassment, discrimination, or violence. In some cases, laws may also restrict rights to protect the rights and safety of others in the community. This is what is happening on campuses by pro terrorist protesters supported by external nations.
I did not propose anything. It’s constitutional law. The evidence is in the videos at all the campuses. This same crap went on in the 60’s at Kent State.
Talk to Neil Young about that.
Those who fail to recognize historical lessons
Rt: I know. The other side of the "But" is coming. I read lot of history and am always citing it to support a recent passionate opinion, like why Dershowitz needs to be criminally indicted for pedophilia. But historical analogies rarely are exactly applicable and the analogy then does not serve as a guide for the future.. Too many other corollary events have influenced what happened and those events hardly ever always occur in the same combination,. The Democrats dogmatically and thoughtlessly applied history to say Trump was Hitler. He wasn't but the point was to make an emotional truth. Anyone seeking peace with Russia becomes a "Chamberlain" and his diplomacy is dismissed as "munich".
Dershowitz is on a mission to start a war between America and
Iran to benefit the Israeli security state. What historical analogy do you think applies? IMHO the starting point is that Dersh is a foreign agent with a primary loyalty to a foreign country/ideology. Just like Julius and Ethyl Rosenberg and the their Atomic Spy group in the 1950'. The only difference in loyalty was which ideology was picked.. The Rosenberg group was loyal to the USSR and Communism rather than Dershowitz's and Epstein's loyalty to Israel and Zionism, but it is the primary loyalty to a foreign ideology that is central to the analogy. Can we conclude thru this analogy that quite aside from allegations of serial pedophilia specifically naming Dersh and Epstein, Dersh is at least as evil and merits at least the same opprobrium as the Rosenbergs?
I agree with all. Dershowitz is an unknown to me but has the same educational stance as most academics. I flew in the Middle East many years and it’s very dangerous. Had the Bushes not started that war mentality we would be miles ahead. OBL was a creation of the U.S. that backfired when he got to Afghanistan. All the CIA dirty tricks are coming back in spades. You are correct that to piece anything together is difficult because so much is hidden.
Hyperbole, greg
Barb.I have trademarked that word for use against Dersh. You need permission to use it.
Just because you are a word crafter you can’t hijack a word. That’s worse than freedom of speech
A key goal of the Muslim Brotherhood, the parent of Hamas, is "the destruction of Western civilization from within". Islam is completely hostile and subversive to the U.S. Constitution; it's about the merger of "church" and state with no individual rights. It's a totalitarian political ideology. The "protestors" are actually enemy combatants who fully support terrorism and barbarian practices such as murder, rape, and torture. If allowed, they will use the Constitution to destroy our country. We have thousands of students, politicians and judges who are so ignorant that they don't recognize the threat (or they are the enemy within).
The deportation of all Muslims, terrorists or not,needs to become the norm in the United States. I totally agree with you, Jim O'Brien. The enemy within are all Muslims. Any visa student groups who are funded or backed by known terrorist organizations need to have their student visas revoked and deported. The cultist, evil, fake religion of Islam is destroying our United States.
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An Explanatory Memorandum on the General Strategic Goal for the Brotherhood in North America
by Mohamed Akram
May 19, 1991
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Summary:
This May 1991 memo was written by Mohamed Akram, a.k.a. Mohamed Adlouni, for the Shura Council of the Muslim Brotherhood. In the introductory letter, Akram referenced a "long-term plan…approved and adopted" by the Shura Council in 1987 and proposed this memo as a supplement to that plan and requested that the memo be added to the agenda for an upcoming Council meeting. Appended to the document is a list of all Muslim Brotherhood organizations in North America as of 1991.
Notable quotes:
Enablement of Islam in North America, meaning: establishing an effective and stable Islamic Movement led by the Muslim Brotherhood which adopts Muslims' causes domestically and globally, and which works to expand the observant Muslim base, aims at unifying and directing Muslims' efforts, presents Islam as a civilization alternative, and supports the global Islamic state, wherever it is.
In order for Islam and its Movement to become "a part of the homeland" in which it lives, "stable" in its land, "rooted" in the spirits and minds of its people, "enabled" in the live [sic] of its society and has firmly-established "organizations" on which the Islamic structure is built and with which the testimony of civilization is achieved, the Movement must plan and struggle to obtain "the keys" and the tools of this process in carry [sic] out this grand mission as a "Civilization Jihadist" responsibility which lies on the shoulders of Muslims and – on top of them – the Muslim Brotherhood in this country.
The process of settlement is a "Civilization-Jihadist Proecess" with all the word means. The Ikhwan must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and "sabotaging" its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God's religion is made victorious over all other religions. Without this level of understanding, we are not up to this challenge and have not prepared ourselves for Jihad yet. It is a Muslim's destiny to perform Jihad and work wherever he is and wherever he lands until the final hour comes, and there is no escape from that destiny except for those who chose to slack. But, would the slackers and the Mujahedeen be equal.
Right on! I have lived and flown for Middle Eastern airlines so I have seen first hand the brutality of the religion. Convert or be killed. Right from the Koran.
The Constitution accepts the idea of tolerating opposition to it. That of course the point of free speech protection. Political change and evolution and fighting everpresent corruption and oppression have generally been accepted a being inevitable adaptations to changing environments. The sainted counterculture was based upon changing fundamentally the then-current corrupted Western civilisation from within, and that is what happened despite the Chicago police riot in 1968 and the long war between the kids and the establishment. The Constitution was interpreted on the side of change. All those flags I burned contributed to an enlightened Supreme Court decision that flag burning is within the scope of free speech. Your point seems to be that an alien group cannot be allowed to take corruptly or violently take control of American foreign policy and American agendas- That is correct and the reason America has a Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA). Yet neither AIPAC nor Dershowitz have registered and they are clearly devoted to a foreign country, its interests and its ideology. And AIPAC seems to own American elected officials thru its hefty re-election contributions, see the Open Secrets website, Did Netanyahu really get 165 standing ovations addressing Congress? What Americn even gets five? Then there is money, especially that of Senator Jackie Rosen, representing AIPAC , underscoring how rich you can get on government pay. What the Muslim Brothered say is just empty talk. like "in their dreams". AIPAC has already done it.
What about Hate speech - inciting harmful behavior against US citizens ? Dershowitz, we’re not in skokie anymore!!!
"Hate speech" is protected speech under the Constitution. Besides, your speech might look like hate speech to me - it's subjective.
However, incitement is not protected.
Incitement to imminent violence is not protected.
You dropped Jean’s point of “inciting harmful behavior.” Isn’t that what drug cartels and gangs do?
I am not a lawyer, and therefore it is important for me to understand the distinction. During the Christmas Tree lighting ceremony at the Rockefeller Center protesters were chanting: “Gas the Jews”. The police stood around them without taking any action. The free speech advocates explained to me that it was protected speech even though it was hate speech. Sounded like inciting violence to me, but maybe it was not incitement to imminent violence. Are we splitting hairs and is there a clear law?
There is clear case law. It is not inciting to violence to say "gas the Jews" because you are not telling your audience to do something imminently -- to grab Jews there and gas them somehow. It's hate speech but not incitement to murder.
It's like when some people who stormed the Capitol on January 6, 2021 were chanting "hang Mike Pence". Was that an incitement to murder? There was a gallows erected outside,
and Mike Pence was in the building, so it would seem so.
No, it wasn't incitement to murder. They weren't looking for Mike Pence and showed no signs of being serious. The gallows was a nonfunctional prop a quarter of a mile away on the Mall.
What are the legal requirements for ‘incitement’?
Intent is critical in distinguishing protected speech from criminal behavior. We know the intent in this case.
Google Brandenberg v. Ohio.
Steve;Your first sentence is a false claim about American law.
Trump's 9Mar anti-semitism EO trumps (lol) that protected "Hate speech"
Something in Skokie may have been contagious with a long incubation period. The Nazi virus of opposition to free speech and to the core value of human equality has after a lead time of 4 decades, erupted i Dersh, just like Herpes Zoster ..Maybe it is Karma for the Genocide incitement.
May the skate park that you built for the Jews and specifically the Alans between your ears for them to grind away daily, continue to be fully populated with happy healthy populous families, did you see that Israel is the fifth happiest country in the world?
TaTa😜
Hate speech = speech you hate. Clear.
His free speech right is the red herring in this case for him. His speech is what will convict him of belonging to a terrorist group(CUAD)and being the spokesperson and negotiator for that group falls under the category of terrorist organization.
Supporting a terrorist group is crime .
Problem is not simple. Have to define the term. What if it is freedom fighting? What if there no other way to fight an oppressor, extremely well armed.? Did you know the history of how Jewish terrorism was the foundation of the State of Israel.. Start with reading about the assassination of the UN envoy Folke Bernadotte, the hangings of captured British soldiers and learn about Menachem Begin and Levi Eshkol. There is even an israeli film about the Jewish terrorism (not very good, needs a Hollywood production).
First of all I would suggest that you try to read books and not inform yourself on social media posts .
Second , Levi Eshkol never had any form of military activity .
Let me help you . The next time mention Itzhack Shamir . He was really a though guy .
As for the hanging of the British soldiers you shall know that those were reprisals for Jews hanged by the British .
As for Count Folke Bernadotte, I could not justify his killing. But he was an aristocrat Jew hater thas working against the Ishuv.
It was a good thing that he died .
But the most important : comparing the Lehi and the Irgun with Hamas shows that you don't know History and that you argue in bad faith .
The Jewish underground didn't aim civilians , didn't rape women , didn't burn people alive and never bombed school buses .
If you research very well maybe you can pinpoint an isolated case that was an exeption .
For Hamas this is their modus operandi .
The "Palestinians", specially Hamas, don't want to form a country .
They want to kill and expell the Jews .
Hamas is an army of sociopaths fabricated by school system tha is not comparable to anything that I know .
Bye
Your comments boil down to the extrajudicial inhumanity.of enslavement to a particular ethnic narrative . You are not alone but you are in ignorance of humanity's higher values. You write "It is a good thing Folke Bernadotte died". No point at all to say "Shame on you" because that feeling is foreign to you, just like empathy for the civilian in Gaza. , Whatever empathy resides in you is ethnically limited,. That is an evolutionary and educational indictment of you. J'accuse. The British sergeants, you say, deserved to be hanged (extrajudicially, after three years fighting Nazis) because British courts hanged Irgun terrorist gunmen, "Hamas is an army of sociopaths". Remarkable. Do you simply write as an alternative to onani, to get out your frustrations with life ? You realize the extent of the Jewish Terror but ignore it in your narrative. Where is insight in your comment. You just plagiarize Dershowitz's leitmotif "Just follow the path of Nazi terror, it is ok because Jews were the victim and can do no wrong". Well, sez who?
I guess you're answering with AI or in this case AS , artificial stupidity . I also guess you're aa human bot . In any case , I don't have time for you .
He dwells on Jews, and I've commented that he's fixated on Alan too.
I like the artificial stupidity analysis, the derangement of these folks indicates they've of their own will built skate parks between their ears for healthy happy Jewish families to grind away daily all day everyday rent free.
Kind of like stalkers thinking about something fixating on them everything revolves around them bringing them up in every conversation with anybody every time, Gad Saad's phrase is 6 degrees of Jew to describe how they artificially stupidly spew words incessantly about the implausible yet with certainty cause that the Jews are behind it all
Brings me nachas 😜
I just checked the troll w/initials GS’s profile. He follows Caitlin Johnstone, my least favorite Hamas & Kremlin loving Substacker (besides the many Neo-Nazis themselves).
Her name on anyone’s follow list is an automatic block for them from me, no exceptions.
Whining about AIPAC & a certain ethnic group holding too much power would have been enough for me, too, though.
The land of the Jews has been attacked for centuries. Jews have been hated for centuries. I stand with Israel against the Hamas terrorist organization. Genocide of Hamas and the land they inhabit, Gaza, needs to continue. The Israelites wiped the Canaanites out of existence. Let that happen again.
Mr Bates thinks exactly like a terrorist, the same mentality for both Arab and Jewish terrorists. But it is likely he is just talk; he doe not put his own life on the line but incites others to do the terror, just like Messrs. Netanyahu and Dershowitz. So the cycle of death to the unarmed and vulnerable continues with no effort at understanding or compromise.The Christ said those who live by the gun die by the gun. That is the fate of the Arab nation and the Jewish State. Let it be.. .
He's a guest, not a citizen. Human rights, no Constitutional rights. Time to go home.
I don’t know anything about the situation, but I have a question. I would assume that he did not act alone, and his actions were in the context of something broader. Is there any evidence of organizations that he was part of, whether formal or informal, that committed acts against Jewish students?
There is also no knowledge about the background which may be at least partly exculpatory. Like with Dersh to defend against the pedo allegations. he might argue he was on medication, that he took dopamine agonistes for incipient Parkinson's, and that had the documented side effect of frequently causing pedophilic urges. Understanding of situations is important in assessing a required criminal intent.
Grok: Khalil completed a master’s degree at Columbia University’s School of International and Public Affairs (SIPA) in December 2024. During his time at Columbia, he became a central figure in the university’s pro-Palestinian movement, particularly during the spring of 2024. That semester, students established a "Gaza Solidarity Encampment" on campus to protest Israel’s military actions in Gaza and demand that Columbia divest from companies with ties to Israel. As a lead negotiator for Columbia University Apartheid Divest (CUAD), Khalil played a key role in mediating between the student protesters and university administrators. Unlike many peers who remained anonymous, he was one of the few willing to publicly identify himself, frequently speaking to the media and articulating the movement’s demands. His visibility made him a recognizable face of the protests.
I see nothing punishable in this description, nor do I see reason for curtailing his visa. Dershowitz does because he habitually corrupts the law to reflect his hard core zionist bias . That may be why he never was appointed to a judgeship. If punitive action is taken against Khailil, the case will ultimately win, but needs to be fought despite the expectations of loss at lower levels. New York and local Federal Courts, as well State Appellate Courts are notoriously politically corrupted (remember the lawfare against Trump).The cae will ultimately win at the Supreme Court.
Imagine if you spoke up with 1% of this energy against Leticia James stealing the vdare empire from them, but your jew derangement syndrome kept you distracted with hours a day on Alan dershowitz's blog displaying your israel/jew/allen dershowitz arrangement syndrome, forever onward with your people's gentile disunity and not mutuality, lack of reciprocity, you're a spiteful miserable bunch amongst each other with the Protestants hating the Catholics the wasps hating the swarthy, and all of Christendom hatting the Mormons which clearly are the true christians, nicest Temple most modern incarnation of theology and what charming wholesome door knockers, but you trad cons hate on them all while indulging in sportsball NASCAR and infidelity with a high alcohol input.
So much free association here, you fail to present a point that might be persuadable. Perhaps your answer needs some editing, but your words spew out like some involuntary movement of bodily expulsion. Presumably you have some need for proofreading, not to mention precision. Nothing critical has been written by me about Jews in general. Just about some bad guys who happen identify publicly as jews and allegedly committed pedophilia or incited Genocide. I am a big fan of Witkoff Chomsky JStreet Benny Begin and Jews for Peace. . Your lack of proofreading and precision disrepects your reader:s: "jew derangement syndrome" in line two becomes "jew/alan dershowitz arrangement syndrome" in line 3. It seems important for you to find bogeyman even when there i none under the bed. But on the other hand those girls say Dershowitz really was the bogeyman under the bed at night. Yet he has avoided a trial to test the veracity of their allegation. Maybe before you openly admire him, you should find a way to sleep with him and as the girls allege, experience his body in all its grey pallor and skin flaps. . They say he was a lousy lay and their participation was non-consensual.. Surely it is not antisemitic to complain of Derhowitz's cover up and his avoidance of trial on the allegations. You see the difference between a bushel of generally good apples with a few rotten ones on top.
built on pragmatic coexistence or even form a civic ethos of their own, unshackled from the destructive impulses that have repeatedly manifested in violence. Today, those hopes reach their end.
The Crumbling Legitimacy of "Palestine"
The concept of a sovereign Palestinian state was, at its inception, interwoven with big ideas: anti-imperial liberation, the romance of revolution, global anti-capitalism, and the quest for national self-determination. But subsequent decades have shown that the Palestinians never grasped the viable political path. Instead, an identity was cultivated on an endless cycle of grievance, victimhood, and, all too often, terror as a method of expression celebrated and valorized by the most depraved elite Western intellectuals, including their Arab and Jewish radical acolytes, sitting at the summit of the Western culture and education. By now, it should be clear to all that when your primary currency is kidnapping civilians and parading their remains to public cheers, you forfeit whatever moral capital a national struggle might once have enjoyed.
For decades, outside observers believed that nationhood was the necessary answer to the 1948 Palestinian dispossession. This event, now thoroughly mythologized as the Nakba, has been elevated to near-sacred status. Dim-witted Westerners pronounce the Arabic exotic word with a slow, yogic accent as if reciting a Sanskrit prayer. Meanwhile, swindling Arab brahmans of the Edward Said type peddle this myth. They are exactly the kind of exotic intellectual yogis that Western elites and institutions
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Lebanon was the only Christian-majority nation in the Middle East.
It's where I was born.
We prided ourselves on inclusivity. Always welcoming Arab Muslim refugees from all over the Middle East.
We had the best economy despite having no natural oil. The best universities.
They called Beirut the "Paris of the Middle East" and the Mountains of Lebanon was a tourist destination.
My early childhood was idyllic, my father was a prosperous businessman in town and my mother was at home with me, an only child.
Slowly, the Arab Muslims began to become the majority in Lebanon and our rights began to wither away.
Soon, we would find ourselves unable to leave our small Christian town without fear of being stopped and killed by Arabs. In Lebanon your religion is on your government issued ID.
As the war intensified and the radical Islamists made their way south, my home was hit by an errant rocket and my life was forever changed.
We spent the next almost decade in a bomb shelter, scraping together pennies and eating dandelions and roots just to survive.
If it was not for Israel coming in and surrounding our town, I do not know If I would be here today.
Lebanon is now a country 100% controlled and run by Hezbollah. I lost my country of birth.
I thank God every single day I was able to immigrate to America and live out the dream that BILLIONS of people only dream of having.
Now here in America, my adopted country that I have come to love so much, I see the same threats and warning signs happening now that took place in Lebanon when I was a child.
This is my warning to you, America, reverse course now while you still can.
It's not too late to save our freedom and preserve it for the next generation.
I don’t see anything punishable in this description, either, however, I am not willing to base my conclusion on this description alone. I am assuming Dershowitz did not use grok to reaches conclusion of curtailing the visa. And you did not explain how he corrupts the law in this case, except to use the Zionist label to dismiss him. Sorry, labeling and name-calling do not do it for me.
There is Eyesight for the Blind if you choose to illuminate your knowledge . You may start with investigative reporter Connie Bruch' feature article on Dershowitz, pedophilia and hush money in New Yorker July 29 2019. then move on to Julie Brown's prizewinning three part series on Dersh and pedophilia in the Miami Herald. She spoke to many of the children, tracing about 80 of the 250 victim. . There is enough other data on Dershowitz allegations on google to keep you fully occupied for month,providing you are a seeker of the truth. If the cover--up were ended, with release of police and FBI/CIA criminal pedo investigations of Dersh this theme could become your life's work.
derh were ever released
And yet the Democratic Party is not standing on pure first amendment grounds. (Nor could they with their constant demands to block free and peaceful speech they dislike). They are defending this Jew hating terror supporting cockroach as a martyr.
Under intersectionality, Palestinians are "victims". This is why we are even having this discussion about a terrorist supporter and probably terrorist employee.
Keeping students locked in a room, banging ON WINDOWS with their THREATS on signs as well, screaming at them directly should they attempt to exit that room with threats are real threats but not grounds to use the Second Amendment. If a legally armed student attempted exit from that room and then was attacked , knocked to the ground, punched, kicked, he should utilize that weapon IMO.
That is where the First Amendment ends . That is where the Second Amendment takes over, IMO.
But anything can happen in NY State as we have seen numerous times .
As far as deportation and loss of green card status, it is a "no brainer" for me.They openly abuse those precious rights as potential citizens, but serve as legal debate for the lawyers of course. I say , get rid of these types who do not respect their(and our) rights and abuse them, they therefore should lose them.
When someone restricts someone’s freedom of movement, in a room or a car or a closed space - in Virginia - the probable charge is not kidnapping, it is abduction. Oddly, the law does not require a specific time minimum.
In NY law 135
...we have in Alan Dershowitz a principled great legal mind. He has demonstrated this for years. A fair and thoughtful man whose opinions are always worth considering.
He Supports trump. The end.
Trump derangement syndrome. The end
Did Mr dershowitz admit to actually voting for him? A year ago he was threatening to drop the Democrat party if senile Joe didn't fix himself
Kinda like trump ball-licker Syndrome. The end. Don't you belong on X?
Dershowitz is a Dem, I think, but he has definitely zealously defended and won acquittals or mistrials for some of the worst people around.
I'm baffled by this take.
This is an immigration issue, not a First Amendment issue.
Khalil has supported a terrorist organization - he doesn't have to committed a crime to have his green card revoked.
Someone tell me what I'm missing.
You're not missing anything. The people who support Khalil, which include the left, the far right, and libertarians, will come up with absolutely any justification that advocates violence against Jews.
Exactly. When I wrote this comment three days ago I was sincerely baffled. I'm not anymore.
https://technium.substack.com/p/no-green-card-holders-do-not-have?r=7i9h3
But while First Amendment rights apply to US citizens, do they apply equally to foreign nationals in the US? Certainly Second Amendment rights do not: some states require US citizenship, not just permanent residence, to obtain a firearms license.
The State Department lists a number of conditions that can exclude a foreign citizen from entering the US, conditions that could not be applied to US citizens:
Section 3, Security and Related Grounds
"(VII) endorses or espouses terrorist activity or persuades others to endorse or espouse terrorist activity or support a terrorist organization"
Khalil's advocacy for Hamas, a designated terrorist group, would fit
https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/visa-information-resources/waivers.html
Those who immigrate, permanently or temporarily, to these shores, must submit affidavits affirming that they support no groups designated terrorists by the U.S. These affidavits are submitted with the spelled-out fact that falsifying them makes the subject liable for perjury.
So it may be fairly easy to determine whether any immigrant is guilty of a serious crime.
“Support”
What are the legalities in the use of that word?
As written, broad enough to depend on court interpretation, like so much of our federal legislation of recent decades, I believe.