Sorry, I missed the part in the First Ammendment that guaranteed people a government subsidised loan. Please point out the specific verbiage so that I may become as savvy a political commentator as yourself.
I don't wish to curtail persons' consitutal rights, i simply don't want to pay for a protestor's "speech" when that speech advocates violence, murder, genocide, and/or attempts to curtail the rights of OTHERS!
Sorry Greg, I fear I'll never be able to place myself in the lofty and venerable intellectual Valhalla you have been able to place yourself in. To your point about freedom of speech, I agree that right (in its varied forms) is enshrined in the First Ammendment. Student loans, however, are a different matter. One doesn't necessarily link the other. Student loans are doled out through banks (with the gov't acting as a guarantor) with the caveat of the borrower meeting certain criterea. I see no reason that placing certain limits regarding that VOLUNTARY loan would be linked to the innate rights enshrine in the First Ammendent. A+B=C. A is not equal to C alone nor is B.
I dunno...seven decades is bit of time on earth. Your comment, "...government action which if interrupted..." betrays the non-violation of first ammendment rights. You would be on firmer ground IF the government agreed to fund and guarantee UNIVERSAL post-secondary education. Currently, it does not. Perhaps in the future it will, but till then....
Your comment reminded me of an old truism: Knowledge my be aquired at any time by anyone, but wisdom only comes with age. Wisdom= knowledge + experience. You can't have wisdom without a combination of the two
Yes I agree professor Dershowitz. These type of behaviors and beliefs tear away at our beloved American peace, justice and unity. They do not merit federal funding.
For those on this thread complaining about free speech encroachment- there is a difference between free speech and calling to kill sects of people based upon race, creed, religion and identity. There is a difference between free speech an violence , precluding people from attending class, entering a building or having an expectation of personal safety based upon race, creed, religion or sexual identity. Free speech doesn’t extend to the destruction of property. Free speech doesn’t include holding people hostage.
Also, Hamas is a designated terror organization by the U.S. government. Hamas is responsible for committing acts of terror globally. Ditto Hezbollah, Al Qaeda, Houthis,ISIS, Al Nusra, Al Shabab, Islamic Jihad, Taliban, etc, all spinoffs of the same ideological poison. They don’t solely terrorize Jews. They kill Christians, Druze, Yazidis, Hindus,Buddhists, atheists, LGBTQ, Muslims and the target is Western civilization first, but they’ve now focusing on Asia- particularly India and the recent takeover of Bangladesh, where they’re slaughtering Hindus. They slaughtered 69,000 Nigerian Christians.. beheaded 200 in Congo last week. They’re slaughtering Christians an Druze in Syria. But since the Jews can’t be blamed, nobody cares. Doesn’t even get a blurb on the MSM. Nor has the recent mass Kurdish genocide in Syria sponsored by Turkey and ignored by the West as everybody is “ celebrating” Assad’s ouster by far worse.
So if whatever insane hatred people unite on when it comes to Jews, don’t kid yourselves into believing you’re exempt. You’re next.
I live in Miami with a large population of Iranians, Afghanis and Lebanese-American citizens whose family fled the Iranian Revolution and the Hamas and Taliban takeovers of Lebanon and Afghanistan. We’re also experiencing an influx of Turkish Christians fleeing the tyrannical segue to Islamism under the psychopath, Erdogan. Perhaps if some of the incurious know-it-alls commenting here spoke with Muslims and others who’ve experienced fundamentalist Islamist violence and tyranny heard it first hand, they might see things from a different lens. Albeit, if you haven’t seen video of what’s happening on college campuses, you should and if you have and are okay with it, you’re the problem.
I’m happy that President Trump has cut $400 million from Columbia University, out of $5 billion total. He should cut more, and cut a long list of schools, colleges, and universities’
This is the dumbest argument I’ve ever heard. Barnard is an AFFILIATE of Columbia and if the intention behind the funding cuts is to provide a punitive action for antisemitism on campus, then any institution openly promoting that behavior is fair game. I am not saying Barnard shouldn’t have its funding cut given what’s going on, but to say they deserve it “more” than Harvard (which we all know you derive a lot of your identity from) or its brother institution Columbia is idiotic and maybe even sexist.
I agree ALL schools engaged in this heinous behavior AND coverup are equally rabid. You loose the credibility of your argument when you throw in senseless angles like the sexist comment. Education now teaches to chant obligatory pieces of irrelevant propaganda without thinking.
It's not an uncredible accusation if it's true or supported by a very strong undercurrent in the overall argument. Why demand that Barnard be shut down, and not Harvard - if the reasoning is "because antisemitism"?
Many of the Barnard pro-Israel women who are involved with research (like my daughter and her neuroscience colleagues at Barnard, among many others) would agree with the call for pressure on Columbia and on Barnard to once and for all deal with the horrific anti-Semitism they have experienced. But they would be deeply outraged (as am I) by the shade thrown on the intellectual significance of the work and study they do at Barnard. Barnard has an amazing pre-med track and was founded to create a path for women into medicine when that path didnt exist. Let's see pressure applied in a manner that doesnt blow up the careers of the current students who are the victims of the ant-Semitism and anti-Israel hate on campus.
Question. One of the people arrested for not leaving Milstein is a Columbia U medical student I believe class of 2025. And the class president. Do you think this person should be allowed to get boarded in any field of medicine after this display of antisemitism and violence?
toss em out. But tell me, there is no way to do this without primarily punishing the science departments, when primarily the offenders are in social work, Mideast studies and such? Why single out Barnard, which means primarily targeting women?
I didn’t single out Barnard. Dersh did. And yes research scientists are going to lose out because professors of queer theory don’t get govt grants. It’s sad but blame the source. Columbia U.
well, I will certainly stand by the 2 points I am making... the only path forward to punish Columbia is NOT the one that Dersh calls for.closing.Barnard, nor is the only path one that requires primarily punishing the scientists... (with input from many of us, the Government is now aiming at relevant departments at Columbia, aimed at Middle Eastern, African, Asian studies departments, requiring a take over of that Department, a smart targeted action).
Columbia is seriously out of compliance with title 7. When Katrina Armstrong took over as interim president (isn’t she from the med school) she apologized to the students who were arrested at Hamilton hall. WTF? One of the students arrested at Barnard is a graduating senior at the med school. President of her class. Should she be allowed to do a residency? Sit for Boards? Anyway I don’t see why scientists should get their funding since the entire U had so much time to make it right. And THEY CHOSE NOT TO. And seriously what indirects does Columbia charge? 100%? I appreciate that you are working to get the corrupt antisemitic studies departments under receivership.
Did you breeze past the part describing the heinous indoctrination going on at that place? You approve of your daughter even being a part of that poor excuse for a college? Please read up on the effect this cancer has had on our medical schools. We now have discrimination triaging at health institutions. It happened here in Texas during the plandemic. Elderly Caucasians beware.
I have been living it. smarter would be a call to shut down the social work school, or one of the departments where all the profs have been very complicit. very odd to single out Barnard, the women's school...
Fairly boring topic with an all too predicable Dershowitz conclusion.. What is interesting is how the name "Dershowitz" is entering the public discourse as a generic description of a certain activity-
We all use "kleenex" when referring to wiping material for runny noses or eyes, or "Xerox" for photocopying. Teenage boys, about 14 years old, have been heard referring to projected physical activity with 12 year old girls, "let's Dershowitz them"(!). Like much teenage slang, its denotation is vague rather than specific. Was Alan imitating what Woody Allen allegedly did the underage girl named Dylan? Because of the 2487 days of the Dershowitz-Epstein cover-up, we do not really know exactly how Dershowitz "Dershowitzed" all those kiddies, Though their allegations precisely say they were "Dershowitzed" in the form of non-consensual rape and penetration of their bodies, the cover up has prevented us and the teenage boys from knowing exactly how the taped children were sexually penetrated, Was the 73 year old Dersh able to manage,perhaps with blue pills, a gravity-defying elevation of a non-ossiferous supported part of his body? Or were fingers, a tongue or was an artificially constructed or molded longitudinally extending instrument or appliance used.?
The "Dershowitzing" of the underage children may seem selfish, but there is a legal argument going back to the 12th Century that old and ugly men have both a recognized psychological need for sexual pleasure and a right to have it even from children as young as 12 when the pleasure unavailable from more mature females (or males). This brings us to the storied bromance between Dersh and Jeffrey Epstein. You can google this yourself. This bromance is the feature story in a 2004 Vanity Fair article. None of its content indicates Alan "Dershowitzed" Jeffrey. Or vice versa. But their adventurous, hand-in-hand promenade down the Coney Island Boardwalk complete with reciprocal over the top praise and song is described. The description today, as then, would seem homoerotic but for the photographed disparity in physical appearance and physical attractiveness.. But Jeffrey' attraction, he said, was to Alan's intellect. Dersh's attraction to Jeffrey was something else.
"Let's compose a song Dershowitz and claims of pedophilia." Folk and protest song connecting to societal ills like organized child trafficking is viable in NYC, a situs of both Dersh and coincidentally the Epstein X-rated Pedo Porn Film Productions .I am thinking of setting lyrics to the melody of Bob Dylan's 115th Dream. If we can get a good emotionally charged lyric written, I will perform it in Washington Square Park and at the corner of Sutton Place, near the UN Building, and film it for youtube perhaps with relevant background Photos and animation in the video. The aim of the composition is to focus on Dersh's practical immunity from prosecution as an elite rich celebrity, perhaps contrasting this with Fatty Arbuckle or another celeb unable despite wealth and celebrity to ecape trial for allegations of child rape. .The working title is ".The Ballad of Alan Dershowitz". Or maybe "Elite Geriatric Blue Pill Addicted Dicks on Parade" .If it is good, maybe Dylan will do a cover.
How about the "Let's compose a song...." stanza starting off the lyric?.. And this stanza follows: "And how for a 73 year old man, penetrative child sex can heal ya"
Curious why the call to cut Barnard yet spare Columbia, which has been far worse (and whose students were part of that protest)? Just because Columbia conducts research? Columbia is by far the bigger poster child for antisemitic, terrorist propaganda nonsense, yes?
Cut funding and tax their endowment. Their tax exempt status is based on non-political views, not advocacy.
Cut funding AND cancel further student loan payments for the disrupters!
Ever studied the First Amendment?
Sorry, I missed the part in the First Ammendment that guaranteed people a government subsidised loan. Please point out the specific verbiage so that I may become as savvy a political commentator as yourself.
I don't wish to curtail persons' consitutal rights, i simply don't want to pay for a protestor's "speech" when that speech advocates violence, murder, genocide, and/or attempts to curtail the rights of OTHERS!
Sorry Greg, I fear I'll never be able to place myself in the lofty and venerable intellectual Valhalla you have been able to place yourself in. To your point about freedom of speech, I agree that right (in its varied forms) is enshrined in the First Ammendment. Student loans, however, are a different matter. One doesn't necessarily link the other. Student loans are doled out through banks (with the gov't acting as a guarantor) with the caveat of the borrower meeting certain criterea. I see no reason that placing certain limits regarding that VOLUNTARY loan would be linked to the innate rights enshrine in the First Ammendent. A+B=C. A is not equal to C alone nor is B.
I dunno...seven decades is bit of time on earth. Your comment, "...government action which if interrupted..." betrays the non-violation of first ammendment rights. You would be on firmer ground IF the government agreed to fund and guarantee UNIVERSAL post-secondary education. Currently, it does not. Perhaps in the future it will, but till then....
Your comment reminded me of an old truism: Knowledge my be aquired at any time by anyone, but wisdom only comes with age. Wisdom= knowledge + experience. You can't have wisdom without a combination of the two
Yes I agree professor Dershowitz. These type of behaviors and beliefs tear away at our beloved American peace, justice and unity. They do not merit federal funding.
He is cutting Barnard, the whole of UCLA and several others were named today by Leo Terrell. He’s wonderful. Passionate.
For those on this thread complaining about free speech encroachment- there is a difference between free speech and calling to kill sects of people based upon race, creed, religion and identity. There is a difference between free speech an violence , precluding people from attending class, entering a building or having an expectation of personal safety based upon race, creed, religion or sexual identity. Free speech doesn’t extend to the destruction of property. Free speech doesn’t include holding people hostage.
Also, Hamas is a designated terror organization by the U.S. government. Hamas is responsible for committing acts of terror globally. Ditto Hezbollah, Al Qaeda, Houthis,ISIS, Al Nusra, Al Shabab, Islamic Jihad, Taliban, etc, all spinoffs of the same ideological poison. They don’t solely terrorize Jews. They kill Christians, Druze, Yazidis, Hindus,Buddhists, atheists, LGBTQ, Muslims and the target is Western civilization first, but they’ve now focusing on Asia- particularly India and the recent takeover of Bangladesh, where they’re slaughtering Hindus. They slaughtered 69,000 Nigerian Christians.. beheaded 200 in Congo last week. They’re slaughtering Christians an Druze in Syria. But since the Jews can’t be blamed, nobody cares. Doesn’t even get a blurb on the MSM. Nor has the recent mass Kurdish genocide in Syria sponsored by Turkey and ignored by the West as everybody is “ celebrating” Assad’s ouster by far worse.
So if whatever insane hatred people unite on when it comes to Jews, don’t kid yourselves into believing you’re exempt. You’re next.
I live in Miami with a large population of Iranians, Afghanis and Lebanese-American citizens whose family fled the Iranian Revolution and the Hamas and Taliban takeovers of Lebanon and Afghanistan. We’re also experiencing an influx of Turkish Christians fleeing the tyrannical segue to Islamism under the psychopath, Erdogan. Perhaps if some of the incurious know-it-alls commenting here spoke with Muslims and others who’ve experienced fundamentalist Islamist violence and tyranny heard it first hand, they might see things from a different lens. Albeit, if you haven’t seen video of what’s happening on college campuses, you should and if you have and are okay with it, you’re the problem.
I’m happy that President Trump has cut $400 million from Columbia University, out of $5 billion total. He should cut more, and cut a long list of schools, colleges, and universities’
This is the dumbest argument I’ve ever heard. Barnard is an AFFILIATE of Columbia and if the intention behind the funding cuts is to provide a punitive action for antisemitism on campus, then any institution openly promoting that behavior is fair game. I am not saying Barnard shouldn’t have its funding cut given what’s going on, but to say they deserve it “more” than Harvard (which we all know you derive a lot of your identity from) or its brother institution Columbia is idiotic and maybe even sexist.
Sounds idiotic and sexist to call it a „brother institution“😄 — should say „sister institution“.
I agree ALL schools engaged in this heinous behavior AND coverup are equally rabid. You loose the credibility of your argument when you throw in senseless angles like the sexist comment. Education now teaches to chant obligatory pieces of irrelevant propaganda without thinking.
It's not an uncredible accusation if it's true or supported by a very strong undercurrent in the overall argument. Why demand that Barnard be shut down, and not Harvard - if the reasoning is "because antisemitism"?
Many of the Barnard pro-Israel women who are involved with research (like my daughter and her neuroscience colleagues at Barnard, among many others) would agree with the call for pressure on Columbia and on Barnard to once and for all deal with the horrific anti-Semitism they have experienced. But they would be deeply outraged (as am I) by the shade thrown on the intellectual significance of the work and study they do at Barnard. Barnard has an amazing pre-med track and was founded to create a path for women into medicine when that path didnt exist. Let's see pressure applied in a manner that doesnt blow up the careers of the current students who are the victims of the ant-Semitism and anti-Israel hate on campus.
Question. One of the people arrested for not leaving Milstein is a Columbia U medical student I believe class of 2025. And the class president. Do you think this person should be allowed to get boarded in any field of medicine after this display of antisemitism and violence?
toss em out. But tell me, there is no way to do this without primarily punishing the science departments, when primarily the offenders are in social work, Mideast studies and such? Why single out Barnard, which means primarily targeting women?
I didn’t single out Barnard. Dersh did. And yes research scientists are going to lose out because professors of queer theory don’t get govt grants. It’s sad but blame the source. Columbia U.
well, I will certainly stand by the 2 points I am making... the only path forward to punish Columbia is NOT the one that Dersh calls for.closing.Barnard, nor is the only path one that requires primarily punishing the scientists... (with input from many of us, the Government is now aiming at relevant departments at Columbia, aimed at Middle Eastern, African, Asian studies departments, requiring a take over of that Department, a smart targeted action).
Columbia is seriously out of compliance with title 7. When Katrina Armstrong took over as interim president (isn’t she from the med school) she apologized to the students who were arrested at Hamilton hall. WTF? One of the students arrested at Barnard is a graduating senior at the med school. President of her class. Should she be allowed to do a residency? Sit for Boards? Anyway I don’t see why scientists should get their funding since the entire U had so much time to make it right. And THEY CHOSE NOT TO. And seriously what indirects does Columbia charge? 100%? I appreciate that you are working to get the corrupt antisemitic studies departments under receivership.
Did you breeze past the part describing the heinous indoctrination going on at that place? You approve of your daughter even being a part of that poor excuse for a college? Please read up on the effect this cancer has had on our medical schools. We now have discrimination triaging at health institutions. It happened here in Texas during the plandemic. Elderly Caucasians beware.
I have been living it. smarter would be a call to shut down the social work school, or one of the departments where all the profs have been very complicit. very odd to single out Barnard, the women's school...
I am an alum and I completely agree. This is the most idiotic take on the situation I’ve read.
Excellent commentary!
I agree 100%.
Absolutely cut them off immediately!! Thank you so much for all you do
How can we help make that happen?
Fairly boring topic with an all too predicable Dershowitz conclusion.. What is interesting is how the name "Dershowitz" is entering the public discourse as a generic description of a certain activity-
We all use "kleenex" when referring to wiping material for runny noses or eyes, or "Xerox" for photocopying. Teenage boys, about 14 years old, have been heard referring to projected physical activity with 12 year old girls, "let's Dershowitz them"(!). Like much teenage slang, its denotation is vague rather than specific. Was Alan imitating what Woody Allen allegedly did the underage girl named Dylan? Because of the 2487 days of the Dershowitz-Epstein cover-up, we do not really know exactly how Dershowitz "Dershowitzed" all those kiddies, Though their allegations precisely say they were "Dershowitzed" in the form of non-consensual rape and penetration of their bodies, the cover up has prevented us and the teenage boys from knowing exactly how the taped children were sexually penetrated, Was the 73 year old Dersh able to manage,perhaps with blue pills, a gravity-defying elevation of a non-ossiferous supported part of his body? Or were fingers, a tongue or was an artificially constructed or molded longitudinally extending instrument or appliance used.?
The "Dershowitzing" of the underage children may seem selfish, but there is a legal argument going back to the 12th Century that old and ugly men have both a recognized psychological need for sexual pleasure and a right to have it even from children as young as 12 when the pleasure unavailable from more mature females (or males). This brings us to the storied bromance between Dersh and Jeffrey Epstein. You can google this yourself. This bromance is the feature story in a 2004 Vanity Fair article. None of its content indicates Alan "Dershowitzed" Jeffrey. Or vice versa. But their adventurous, hand-in-hand promenade down the Coney Island Boardwalk complete with reciprocal over the top praise and song is described. The description today, as then, would seem homoerotic but for the photographed disparity in physical appearance and physical attractiveness.. But Jeffrey' attraction, he said, was to Alan's intellect. Dersh's attraction to Jeffrey was something else.
"Let's compose a song Dershowitz and claims of pedophilia." Folk and protest song connecting to societal ills like organized child trafficking is viable in NYC, a situs of both Dersh and coincidentally the Epstein X-rated Pedo Porn Film Productions .I am thinking of setting lyrics to the melody of Bob Dylan's 115th Dream. If we can get a good emotionally charged lyric written, I will perform it in Washington Square Park and at the corner of Sutton Place, near the UN Building, and film it for youtube perhaps with relevant background Photos and animation in the video. The aim of the composition is to focus on Dersh's practical immunity from prosecution as an elite rich celebrity, perhaps contrasting this with Fatty Arbuckle or another celeb unable despite wealth and celebrity to ecape trial for allegations of child rape. .The working title is ".The Ballad of Alan Dershowitz". Or maybe "Elite Geriatric Blue Pill Addicted Dicks on Parade" .If it is good, maybe Dylan will do a cover.
How about the "Let's compose a song...." stanza starting off the lyric?.. And this stanza follows: "And how for a 73 year old man, penetrative child sex can heal ya"
Help me with the next lyric, guys
Curious why the call to cut Barnard yet spare Columbia, which has been far worse (and whose students were part of that protest)? Just because Columbia conducts research? Columbia is by far the bigger poster child for antisemitic, terrorist propaganda nonsense, yes?
Because, as everyone knows, Dershowitz is a big supporter of the First Amendment
Yes especially when it's himself doing the free speech - his favorite sound is that of his own voice.