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Roger Langille's avatar

You clearly love Israel more than America so my question to you is why the f*** are you not in Israel instead of in America.

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Yvonne's avatar

“Birth of a Nation” is a 1915 U.S. black and white film filled with racist attitudes and imagery. There is a 2005 documentary titled "Israel: Birth of a Nation" that documents Israel's stressful, early years as a nation. It does not include the footage of which you describe.

Israel is the only democracy in that region and Muslim and Christians live alongside Jews. All with equal rights. There is not another country in that area that can say the same, and that includes Palestine.

Be careful… your true colors are showing.

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Roger Langille's avatar

I just posted clips from it

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Roger Langille's avatar

Jimmy Dore had it posted on his Channel it's likely still there.

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Roger Langille's avatar

That's not it it's made by Isreal and it's all interviews of the isrealis telling what they did all laughing and bragging, it will turn your Stomach.

You will never look at anyone from Israel the same again I guarantee you.

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Roger Langille's avatar

You need to watch the one made by the isrealis

The interviews of the zionists One after the other believe me you will never forget it.

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Yvonne's avatar

Nothing like ad hominem attacks to make your point. 🙄

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Roger Langille's avatar

The Truth always affends those who can not live with it.

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Yvonne's avatar

You definitely are not letting the truth get in the way of a good tale. You expressed an opinion; that is not truth. You do not “affend” - offend - me as I find opinion based on emotion without value.

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Roger Langille's avatar

There is an Israeli documentary Titled birth of a nation. Don't take my word for it take their word for it watch It.

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Yvonne's avatar

The documentary is not relevant to the topic at hand which is your opinion to a post about a book. Furthermore, a love of Israel and a love of America are not mutually exclusive. A person can have a love of more than one country. Finally, you base a love of two countries as the foundation for an opinion statement masquerading as truth. Then you attempt to support it by referencing a documentary.

All the best.

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Roger Langille's avatar

So you are saying that the documentary of Zionists bragging and laughing about raping Palistine Women Girls and Boys infront of the men Christians and Muslims before murdering all of them doesn't apply. Well I guess you didn't watch It then.

Because it's about exactly what they are doing and still are doing.

Of course you don't want anybody to watch these people telling the truth about what murdering pieces of human garbage they are.

Or the fact that we will have to exterminate them to get rid of them.

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F B's avatar

Serious question: how does a society balance liberty and security in a Western Civilization tradition of classical liberal democracy built on individual agency and religious tolerance? Certainly not in the form of a neo-fascist-liberal Patriot Act framework?

Is it possible?

Plato and Aristotle argued greatly for what should become of the restoration of Athens after the collapse of social order at the hands of Sparta. And Cicero mourning the loss of the Roman Republic.

What say we? And who are our conquerors? Ourselves? Jacques Lacan would have a field day with that one… I am become societal suicide. The nihilists win?

Sorry Alan, feeling very jaded tonight.

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F B's avatar

What are you talking about? You’re embarrassingly unread and you invent your own private nonsensical

narrative. I don’t read Google. You’re the one who keeps citing Google as an authoritative source. You’re doing some serious gaslighting.

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Roger Langille's avatar

Winston Churchill's report on Palestine is public information he details the population of Palestine as have Roughly Equal numbers of christians and muslims, They made up 96% of the population of Palestine according to him ,the rest being jewish palestinians.

Today they are not many christians left. Thanks to Israel.

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F B's avatar

Palestine, invented by the Romans and maintained through the Ottomans, had widely varying populations over the centuries. I think it is ridiculous to take a snapshot as of 1917 and say that’s how it has always been. Maybe the Italians deserve it more; maybe the Babylonians? The Turks may have a valid claim.

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Roger Langille's avatar

Google the history of Palistine you will see it dates back to the bronze age.

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F B's avatar

Lots of places have history of people groups congregating in regions back in the Bronze Age. Ever here of Athens? The point is there was no organized governed place until the Romans.

I don’t google much about ancient history. I read actual books.

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Roger Langille's avatar

So clearly you didn't Google the history of Palestine established during the bronze age you're so full of s***

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F B's avatar

No. During the Bronze Age, circa 3000-1000 BC, the region we defined by the borders that consist of the contemporary nation state of Israel was ruled by…. Wait for it…. Various nomadic and city state peoples (of various other ethnicities of middle eastern origin which is quite complex and surprisingly diverse: Greek, Persian, Egyptian, Assyrian, Mesopotamian, etc.) beginning as early as the early Bronze during which time the Jews appeared (origin of great debate) and developed from a nomadic to city state and eventually into nation state prominence to dominate the region. During that time the ancient kingdom of Israel traded off in power struggles which is clearly described in the Bible and supported by an irrefutable historical record only N*ZIS contest. By the time Quirinius came around, Jews were the majority people group in Palestine until the Middle Ages when rampaging Crusaders attacked and killed a lot of them.

So if your argument is that the contemporary state of Israel does not belong there because they didn’t exist there during the Bronze Age, or even later during the Iron Age through the Augustan era, the historical and archeological evidence simply does not support that. They actually were probably one of the First Nation states in the region.

If your argument is that the contemporary state of Israel does not belong there because they were the minority people group between 1917-1922, then that’s a bit of historical cherry picking that doesn’t hold up to the totality of regional history. Secondly, most of the “Palestinians” located there now are really just Arab Egyptians having migrated there since the Middle Ages.

My point is NOT that the Jews deserve based on the historical record to be there any more than any other people, but simply instead that you are wrong in all material respects, and I would even say wholly antisemitic.

Like I said, I don’t need Google: I read actual books. But if you just want to resort to calling men names, then go ahead. I don’t care.

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greg starr's avatar

No content about allegations to police of Dershowitz's life as a serial pedophile, mooching naked children off Jeffrey Epstein; or Dershowitz's ability to influence peddle to evade prosecution on the allegations; or his genocidal incitements and his relationship with Netanyahu; or whether he actually met Netanyahu thru Jeffrey Epstein; or who else Dersh met at Little St James.

Is there anything in this book anyone else has not already written? Likely it is essentially ghost written by his female (he won't hire males) research assistent. Easy, he just needs to sign off. Biden's estatem can sell Dersh a auto-sign.

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Randy Borow's avatar

Learn how to write, and just maybe your critical reviews would be more believable. Until then, your review comes across as just another set of rantings from a left-wing ideologue.

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greg starr's avatar

Gee Randy. Can you recommend a writing course, one that teaches the invective you apply in your last sentence? Obviously you need to recommend a writing course favoring form over substance. I do not suppose you know any good critical thinking course assessing content since you ignore content. Anyway, fine starting point, ignoring all the pedophilic issues about 86. Are you not a little bit curious about what he covers up? OMG I forgot. After reading these few lines , do you still think I need to learn to write? Do you have credentials backing your premise?

If I were primarily loyal to the Jewish State, would i still need a writing course? Had I been with 86 at Little St James, partaking the sights, sounds and allegedly the flesh, would i still need that course? Do you find ANYTHING repulsive about 86? Why don't you specify the writings that show I need to "learn how to write". C'mon Randy, let's have it. At 15, it is better for you to give a high school grammar and style critique than be groomed by a Jeffrey Epstein type working for Mossad looking to use you as blackmail bait..

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Randy Borow's avatar

I'm sure I can come up with something that even you can understand and use. 😘

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greg starr's avatar

Wow, the Don Rickles of the Revisionist Zionists.

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Randy Borow's avatar

😁😁😁

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Stuart Rose's avatar

Well, Greg, I’ll give you a few points for using the word “invective”. It’s a shame more native speakers don’t use it in speech or writing. Do they even know what it means?

Oh, and the Don Rickles of the Revisionist Zionists is witty.

Your writing style is fine. The problem is the weight of your slander, your invocation of the dual loyalty charge, the blackening of Mossad as if it’s the fuckin’ KGB.

Didn’t you see that the young woman who accused Dershowitz retracted the charge and said she accused him out of spite and anger. Don’t get me wrong— she and all the other young women— many of them girls by any accepted standard— deserve our sympathy and understanding, even if they struck back in a dishonest way, which is the case with the accusation against Dershowitz.

Anyway, Greg, you’re stuck at the moment with the clans and thieves and Islamists who would treat each other far worse than Israel if they had a Free Palestine. Break away, Greg. Bring your wit and articulateness to the right side— Old Testament types like me and even Randy(who, for all we know, might have a head of hair that Rickles would have envied)

Stuart

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greg starr's avatar

Hi Stuart. Nice you are civil despite your reflexive defense of a man my research persuades me is evil. Startiong with grammar, your third mparagrph. Since my comment was written, were parts of it untrue they woild be "libel", not "slander-"

Since you feel so strongly about Alan's "innocence", why not devote some time to research, like what a court woiuld do normally. in the absence of political cover up. Your fourth paragraph: Connie Bruch is a prize winning investigative reporter.. Her six page report is a fly on the wall expose of how Dershowitz peddles influence and threatens, not so hard when this girl like the others had long term post traumatic stress. So he is a bully by nature, even if he is only Napoleon-sized. You need to read her report, available by googling, Look up New Yorker July 29, 2019 "The Devil Advocate". As the title implies, she concludes he is evil. She was nonetheless in close contact with Dershowitz before publication. He claimed total innocence nd dsaid he had alibi evidence. He opffered to provide it to her if she delayed publication. He never did. He never has provided alibi evidence. No rebuttal evidence. Just bare denials. She specifically tells how Virginia Roberts was forced to sign a statement prepared in advance word for word by Dershowitz himself- - - that she might have confused him as a rapist with someone else, someone uinidentified... Then she would get at least one million dollars fronted by a donor.

Do you think Dershowitz is wrongly charged just because he is a spokesman for Revisionist Zionism? Read more and see a 2004 Vanity Fair article about his bromance with Epstein, walking together gaily along the Coney Island Boardwalk, seeming for all the world like a couple ushering in the Age of LGBTQ plus, but we are pretty sure the relationship was never sexual. The sex was directed to the underage kids according to their accusations to Palm Beach Police. The detective in charge and the Chief of Police were piublicaløly unhappy that the FBI took over their investigation and sealed it. The Chief's complaint about this in a news conference is available onn internet. He foresaw that the investigation would stay sealed. Detective Reitan spoke to 33 raped children. He noted that the girls in Epstein's Palm Beach mansion all knew Dershowitz, which was very surprising. Dershowitz persuaded Miami States Attorney Brischer, a honcho in the Miami area Anti-Defamation League to support him. (Brischer is 82 now. He refuses to talk about this case despite massive criticism about his conduct). Brischer refused to indict Dershowitz and instead asked a Grand Jury to decide indictment. Two kids were brought into State court. They testified against Dershowitz and Epstein and were attacked by Brischer's female assistant DA who called them "prostitutes, liars and thieves" exactly quoting Dershowitz. The Grand Jury therefore refused to indict. So with the FBI involvement the case went to Alex Acosta, the US attorney.

Massive influence peddling came, which Acosta complained of as threatening. He was a Hispanic DEI appointee, fairly inexperienced. . He felt that with all the local and national Jewish Organizations and magnates supporting Dershowitz, no conviction could be obtained. He gave Dershowitz, as demanded, a secret full Non-Prosecution Agreeement, a complete immunity from criminal prosecution for pedophilic rape(s). The DOJ and The Florida Bar subsequently condemned the process in awarding this NPA. Yet during the three years before a court invalidated it, the NPA had the effect of stopping the pedophilic investigation of Dershowitz wjhile the time bar ran on the children's right to sue in civil court The ionvalidtionn of the NPA was based on its secrecy violating the Federal Victims Rights Act. Interesting that Dershowitz had not known this when he demanded secrecy.

There is lots more. As an introduction see Darryl Cooper's three part three hour long podcast on Jeffrey Epstein. It is archived under Cooper's Martyr series.

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Stuart Rose's avatar

I stand corrected about libel versus slander(though that first syllable in “slander” gives it more force).

I’ll have to check out some of the sources you mention before saying anything definitive. First, a couple of corrections or, should I say, clarifications. First, of course I regard Epstein as a thoroughly disgusting and evil person. Second, Dershowitz is a name-dropper, a self-promoter and I’d imagine, like most high-powered lawyers, not beyond being a bully. Still, the charge is a very heavy one, to say the least.

By the way, he is not a Revisionist Zionist. This is a guy who for years— at least before the atrocities of Oct. 7– supported a two-state solution and opposed the settlements. And, no, Greg, I don’t think he was charged because he is a spokesman for Israel(again, not a spokesperson for Revisionist Zionism).

Anyway, I’ll take a look at some of the sources you mention. However, from our distance it’s always difficult to determine who knew and did what, and for what reasons they did it. I mean, short of looking at Epstein’s list, which I understand he kept as protection against betrayal by his well-known “friends”, we might never know for certain if Dershowitz did anything immoral— aside from being one of Epstein’s defense attorneys(which is not, by the way, a gig I approve of).

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greg starr's avatar

Hi Stuart. Comment on your last paragraph: the problem "from our distance" is not distance per se. Historians and detectives uncover lots from the past..

The problem is the COVER UP which is on Dershowitz. as you see confirmed when you check out the sources, particularly the Miami Herald and New Yorker...

He covered up for Epstein for about 20 years, protecting from police investigation and indictment, using money, influence peddling, threats and his favorite epithet "antisemitic". When the kids accused Dershowitz specifically of serial pedo rapes, trafficking and failure to report massive child abuse to State authorities, he apparently was unable to provide alibi evidence (see Connie Bruch's report) or any other evidence supporting his apodictic denials. His strategy was to obstruct production of evidence with 1) defamation lawsuits and intrusive private investigation against the kids and their pro bono attorneys with a view to deterring the other kids), 2) a well.financed PR media campaign with the theme that the underage kids were all "prostitutes, liars and thieves" and 3) influence peddling with the Miami States Attorney Brischer and the US Attorney Acosta. And there is so much more...

The stuff in the preceding paragraph is what Dershowitz should be teaching in the Dershow, since this is how he has worked. Meanwhile, to understand the consequences of what he defended, protected and allegedly participated in, watch the film SALO: 101 DAYS OF SODOM. (Free viewing on the Internet Archive).

How can it be that Dershowitz was never even indicted?

Indictment is not a lost cause. There is no criminal statute of limitations for allegations of pedo rape or trafficking of children for sexual purposes. France jailed the Marquis De Sade and just yesterday sentenced Le Scoucenee (sp) for massive pedo sex crimes. Why does France avenge crimes against children to protect other children even jailing aristocrats, why is Britain now jailing Pakistani pedo gang member while the American legal system cannot even indict Dershowitz?

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Stacey Horcher's avatar

He was Epstein lawyer, not client. Get over it. Plenty of real patrons to go after.

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Erin Gray's avatar

It’s on my bedside table. Thank you from Charleston, professor, for all you do.

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Lisa Runquist's avatar

I ordered your book. :-)

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David Bonsignore's avatar

For some odd reason I cannot actively promote my work. I like how you say, “please order it.” So simple and to the point. But doing this somehow violates my artist’s code. It’s like the one stoic dimension i have, out of 20 others. God bless you. Jesus is needed for eternal life: Micah 5:1 praying for you. (You can see this evangelical dimension in me is not hampered by any stoicism.)

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James Wes Brown's avatar

I'm crazier than that other guy. LOL 😆. Enjoy the moment. It's all we have.

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