As an Israeli-born American, my concern here has always been the erosion of support for Jews/Israel and increase of anti-Semitism among liberals/Dems beginning with Obama (in spite of Rahm Emanuel’s presence). Blacks have completely abandoned their supporters of civil rights battles of the past century. In America, I see dumb, idealistic Reform Jews still clinging to the Left and wanting to assimilate, while Orthodox go the Right; Conservatives, in our congregation, choose a position based on age. I don’t worry about Israelis - they know how to survive, it’s Jews in the “safety” of Western countries who are in trouble.
I swear whenever someone is critical of Israel's policies, the jews scream "anti-semitic". If one were to say, for example, that the collective punishment in Gaza is not proportionate to the crime, the jews chant anti-semitic.
The reason you're losing hearts and minds is because you guys are so demanding. You're like children. For instance, you now ask that young American men and women fight a war with Iran on your behalf, because you're afraid of what Iran "might do'". If you feel Iran is a threat, then you go fight Iran. Take your sons and daughters to the front lines. Risk your own youth, and your own money. Fund your own conquests. We dont care if israel is a state or not. If you survive, great. If you dont, whatever. Its not our country. Its not our problem. There is nothing antisemtic about that. It is the real world. You dont live in a fairy tale. You cant call daddy america to come save you every time it gets tough out there. Take responsibility for your own country and your own choices. Be a man. Learn how to take care of yourselves. We cannot rescue you every time you get a bloody nose. And stop screaming antisemitisim like a petulant child every time you dont get your way, or when someone disagrees with you, etc, etc. The political correctness and compassionate babying is over. This generation is not going to place you or anyone else on pedestal. You are just another dude who has to compete on merit, and who has to find away to survive in a crazy world. Get used to it.
The advice was not for you. The expletive shiows you are beyond caring. God made a mistake in not having you both born in Gaza and residing now there. Noted you fear using your full name. Big bravery but only when anonymous.
You don’t seem particularly on the ball so I don’t really care what you think. My comment wasn’t for you either. My comment was for this so-called Mary. Who by the way also doesn’t use her full name. And whose comment was loathsome and completely devoid of empathy for Jews.
It’s amusing to me that you make a big deal out of the name. so you use your full name – if it is even your real name. Who cares? Muting you.
Israel isn't asking for the US to fight a war in Iran: it's asking the US not to tie its hands when the IDF takes on Iran, in the same spectacular manner as it defeated Hezbollah. Remember?
When people are marching to glorify the murder of Israelis, as they did on Oct 8, it's accurate to call that antisemitism.
Gaza's war is perfectly proportional according to Article 51 of the Geneva Convention, which says that harm to civilians must be proportional to the military advantage gained. Wiping out Hamas rocket launchers and leadership is one heck of a military advantage.
You do not include objective reality in your comment. Is it not a delusion to argue Israel is an independently capable military power? If not, call off the Fifth Column Jewish donor class and make America corruptIon free, AT LEAST TO THAT EXTENT..
What does your comment have to do with the Professor’s blog?
I get it. The claim of Anti-Semite and antisemitism is over used. I agree my people aren’t special or entitled. We just want to be left alone to live in peace. That’s the point of the blog.
Finally. Good second paragraph, Mark. Call off AIPAC, Canary Mission, the ADL, the Mega Group and thereby let America regain its sovereignty over 1) Mideast policy, 2) who is appointed or prevented from making it and 3) determining the public discourse about the Mideast and I am sure Americans would love to keep Israel at arms length and simply ignore Israel's deficiency of a core value of human rights. Ever read the Gentile classics, Mark? Israel is a real albattross around the metaphorical neck of America. No noteworthy benefit at all other than temporary satisfaction of the jewish donor class. Split up Israel and America, and instantly Washington DC become far, far less corrupt.
Damn, Mary.Imagine meeting you on Dershow, the home of ethnic bigotry. It¨s like we infiltrated the belly of the beast.. Are you single? Is Friday free?
Mary, they have every reason to fear what Iran might do ESPECIALLY under Democrat leadership in the US, we all do and for the same reason: they hate Jews and Christian’s. THAT is why I have been dumbfounded by the apparent IGNORANCE of the JEWISH voting block consistently 70% Democrat. Why? I can see they fall into the “liberal elite college educated” (ELF’s in case of women) category benefitting from the growth of government spending, but don’t they care about the survival of Israel? Even Netanyahu rushed to endorse Biden during the 2020 stolen election, why? Trump knows Netanyahu betrayed him, he trusts him only as far as he knows he can control him now. Just like with the USS Liberty, with Netanyahu “the ends justify the means” which means whatever he believes is in the best interest of Israel, including using blackmail (Epstein files) to control The UniParty of career politicians getting rich in office for their votes.
Regards to your comment about blacks and their “civil rights leaders”: it looks to me like Truth seekers and civil rights leaders such as MLK Jr who refused to accept anything less than full individual equal rights from our Creator with whom I totally agree, was immediately abandoned by the likes of Jesse Jackson and many others since the assassination who instead chose the exact opposite: to profit by claim of being victims for entitlements from government, no better than the black slave traders in Africa, selling their own people into slavery on “the government plantation” of dependency.
Your emotional, misinformed rant doesn’t leave room for an intelligent discussion. Look up the definition of anti- Semitism as a starter to educate your self. Thank you!
Jews have historically been a consistent, reliable 70% voting block for Democrats. It always (I’m 66) made me scratch my head and wonder, why? So tell me smart guy, why is that?
From my readings and discussions, esp. with fellow Jews - the reasons: historical alignment of Jews with Blacks and the Civil Rights movement not realizing the Dems were aligned with the origins of the KKK, historical perception of Reps. as WASPs responsible for exclusion of Jews from businesses, clubs, universities etc, and a desire to assimilate, not stand out and be subject to persecution as in Europe etc.
Your “solipcistic” is misspelled and misguided. My parents moved to this country like most immigrants, probably including your ancestors - in search of religious freedom, upward mobility, and freedom from conflicts. “Disdain for American values” - you are solipsistic!
Pretty solipcistic 'Mr Harari. Did you move to America simply for economic gain. You do not appear to share with Americans a core valuem of human equality. Why do Israelis come to America to get rich, yet have disdain for american values?
We prefer to live elsewhere like Muslims, Catholics, Buddhists, Hindus et al prefer to live elsewhere on Earth other than one country. Calling Israel a sanctuary may be a bit strange given the numerous attacks, wars, missiles etc. targeting her citizens. It's a small "sanctuary" at best in a miserable neighborhood, unlike the religion-dominated countries of the rest of the world.
Yes Andy Lee, if you are incapable of refuting his argumentation, better to just pretend the arguments- - -and the person- - -do not exist. Ostriches do thjat. They stick their head i a hole to avoid seeing what they do not like or fear.
Hi Joseph: the description "sanctuary was used in the founding documents of Zionism. The ideology's originaL purpose was to create a sanctuary or Jews., a refuge from perceived persecution. Revisionist Zionism seems to have mutated the goal in favor of regional hegemony.
“Perceived persecution” ? Not really for thousands, millions of victims. It was real for my ancestors. Revisionist Zionism, regional hegemony - what exactly do you mean with these terms?
Obviously some persecution is real and confirmed by objective reality. Some is very bad. Some is invented to get sympathjy. Some is "perceived", thought to exist but maybe unconfirmable by objecrive reality. Victimhood sells arguments these days. It has been basis for massive reparations payments, for example to Israel from Germany on the basis of real persecution.. Claiming persecjution or vicrtimhood does not make it so. The Holocaust and Gaza Genocide are part of objective freality. The allegations of dangers to Jewish studenta, 23% of Columbia's student body , need to be confirmed by objective facts before denoting any "persecution". So far any "danger" seems only theoretical and perobably exaggerated for political effect. is that not right
Anti-semitism is real. There’s plenty of evidence of that. But there is also two sides to everything and only the Truth can end the hatred. It has to stop.
Mister Starr seems to have a rather peculiar agenda vis-a-vis Jews and Israelis, as those of you will recollect from his previous recent comments on Dersh's blog...
E.g., "Actions of a people are the basis for judging their morality and legality. Arranging a blackmail operation and "staffing" it with 250 groomed gentile, mostly underage ,children; that is a very clear basis for judgement of Mossad as an agency and the Jewish State as its master and beneficiary. Why were only gentile underage c children selected for grooming? Likely it has something to do with a racial prohibiion of against defiling thje children of one¨s own kind? Well, we do not know with certainty because everything connected to Jeffrey Epstein, his work, his friends, his activity with his attorney and even Jamie Diamond is covered up. As to Diamond and the bank, we know the bank made a huge payment to Epstein victims, but details are sealed. Not a single blackmail target has been identifird. mot a single male co-conspirator has been indicted (there were at least five) nly thje daughter of Mossad honcho Robert Maxwell was indicted and then convictd( but she follows Omerta.) The Jewish State is run by leaders who opine that any meanss are justified by the ends. Lots of bad guys follow this maxim. Yes, especially the Nazis. Everything you wrote in your comment happens in Israel except manifestation of the core value of human equallty."
So I'd second Andy Lee's judgement that this raving [my own expletive deleted] is "not one to engage with". Although I do wonder where he got his factoids regarding Epstein, Mossad, and the 250 groomed gentiles? (Not to mention his being notably careless in his text editing; and maybe also reminiscent of the NSDAP shtick —prior to the Wansee conf which opted for the Final Solution— to encourage/facilitate the German Jewish community to self-deport en masse to Mandate Palestine.
Where do you get those facts about the 250 groomed gentiles Greg? Curious minds want to know. I would agree with you on the point that not engaging rather than refuting your argument is just another form of censorship, unless it turns into a circular argument not based on information that can’t be backed up.
That’s probably because the left has moved too far to the left and taken the side of those that don’t have the best interests of the Jewish people. It’s mostly democrats out there protesting against Israel and harassing Jewish students! I don’t understand why any Jewish person would want to have anything to do with the democrats. The same goes for the black population. The democrats have done nothing but harm to black communities in the past and they will continue to damage everything they touch. Democrats seem to destroy anything that doesn’t align with their current priorities
Sadly, the liberal Jews in the west continue to believe that if they offer the olive branch, to those who wish to see them annihilated, somehow,miraculously they will have a change of heart. 10/7 didn’t teach them a thing.
Professor, This is so misunderstood. I am Jewish and saw it so clearly between my visits to Israel in 1976 and 2010. My family and friends - once strong Labor supporters had all turned to Likud or more right leaning. Perhaps as Jews we have a special understanding of human nature not shared by non-Jews. Never again means exactly what it says! Am Yisrael Chai!
1. Hamas started this war - there is no rational explanation for the attack, killing, rape, and hostage taking.
2. The war would have ended months ago if Hamas handed over all the live and dead hostages and stopped their bombing and terrorism.
3. Proof of active genocide is a reduction in population. There are more Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza today than after the war in 1948, while there are literally no Jews left in Arab lands. Is that explained on Tik Tok?
4. Palestinians have been kicked out of every country they set up camps. There must be a reason no Arab states want to give them citizenship!
5. What is a Palestinian? My mother was born in the British Mandate (in Jerusalem) in 1936. She is much more Palestinian than Arafat (who was born in Egypt). That makes me a Palestinian Jew - is such a thing possible? Seems like only Muslim Arabs can be Palestinian - oh, wait, what about the maligned Christian Palestinians?
6. The UN mandate of 1947 separated the land between Jews and Arabs. No mention of a Palestinian people. Since then there is clearly no genocide on either side, as both populations have proliferated.
7. There is no difference between the fighting in Gaza and the fighting in Syria, except Arabs killed Arabs in Syria - that’s acceptable but Jews defending themselves against attack? That’s evidently unacceptable. Such action is wrongly called “Genocide”. Don’t you see that such accusations demean the very definition?
I hope you understand the multitude of racist tropes you throw at me regarding Jewish control. Seriously, we are 16m in a world of 8B!! Leave us alone to live in peace.
2.it looks similar to the American displacement of the Indian Civilizations which happened under a far more primitive evolution of Western human morality and consciousness. Arguably Americans and Western Europeans do not do this anymore.
3, The Nakba was like the Trail of Tears for the Cherokee nation, just far, far larger.
4. Israeli government officials and their supporters monolithically recite that the non-Jews are "terrorists", quite ignoring Jewish terror which was and is not only more extensive but also applied to create/maintain the Jewish State. King David Hotel, assassinatiion of Folke Bernadotte, Menachem Begin's reign as chief of Stern Gang, Shamir and Irgun. Deir Yassin, The Lavon affair (1952: -israel's comprehensive terror bombings in Cairo),. Israel's bombings of Jewish institutions (killing scores of Jews) in Baghdad to motivate Mizrahis to flee to Israel, routine and forced confiscations of Arab land without compensatiion in order to create more Jewish settlements, use of Ameican donated jets as instruments of terror subduing the civilian population, "price tag" quotas of collective punishment, and generally the IDF war on International Humanitarian Law and the Genocide Convention.
5. For the sake of brevity we skip to your last paragraph. It is highly practical and agreeable IMO to "Leave...(Israel) alone (absolutely alone, interdicted) in peace". The problem is the imperialism of the Zionists, not only expansionist, like Communism, in the Mideast but operative and dominant in the USA. due to citizens with primary loyalty not to the United States, the county of their citizenship. The israel Lobby, aka Jewish Lobby of which AIPAC is a significant part and coecive groups like Canary Mission function as an academic storm troopers out of an Eastern European ethos. . Organizations like AIPAC and individuals like Dershowitz (with his, shall we say, checkered past) and Ben Shapiro seem to remain still insular and unintegrated in America other than in securing wealth. They preach primary loyalty to any current government in -israel and to Zionism. Their primary loyalty to a foreign country and ideology matches that of the Rosenbergs to Communism rather than America. Roy Cohn and Judge Stanley Kaufmann turned the American Jewish mainstream 180 degrees back from the temptation and pressure of loyalty to communism 65 years ago. They are needed again. . The Jewish community needs new beautiful mprophets like these two to arise and teach Jews over the age of 30 the civilisational need to be loyal to the country which gave them great prosperity, treating them so well.
Mark: we may have alternate realities if we read different sources. I am confident my sources reflect objective reality rather than propaganda or simple bias. Since Israel bars reporters from Gaza, that limits greatly information about IDF activity. But there are the hundreds of TikTok videos that IDF soldiers upload to show what they do. I watch them. They are confessions Investigative reporters have covered Dersh. Miami Herald's three part series on Dershowitz and Epstein, Connie Bruch's expose on Dershowitz and Epstein as well as negotiations wirh Virginia Roberts. Darryl Cooper's three part series on the Epstein Orgnizartion with Dersh in a supporting role. Nick Bryant. Many podcasts. .
Jews and Christian Zionists who are economically supporting AIPAC or other Jewish Lobby groups influencing American decisions to donate the weapons necessary to commit Genocide seem complicit, as is America itself, with the Genocide .Lots of non-combatants have been killed. Nobody in Israel seems to lose sleep or change rules of engagement to kill fewer.Netanyahu openly wants ti kill more to put more pressure on Hamas. If the Genocide is confirmed, then is complicity not common sense?.
Not allowed to visit Gaza. Thanks to Canary Mission, not allowed to visit Israel. Have lived in Aqaba, an area at the Dead Sea and in Damascus.
The synonym of "Am Yisrael Chai" is apparently "Genocide to the Palestinians". Why absolutely no concern for a core value of human equality. You live in America and at least pay equality lip service.
Blacks were allowed to fight for Civil Rights when they were not granted, but Palestinians cannot do the same? They have to be brutally suppressed in a way Blacks in America never were. But in a Jewish State equality is forbidden , first by the 2018 Jewish Supremacy Law and secondlhy by a racist Israeli Jewish society.
Palestinians were not brutally suppressed. The entire middle east and north Africa is Arab and Muslim. The Palestinians have alot of room at their disposal. They do well in Israel, and they were doing well in the Palestinian territories as well. The problem is the stated goal of the Palestinian cause is to destroy Israel.
You and objective reality are far removed from each other. You seem to have no functioning sensory organs and the brain lacks interpretive capacity. No matter. Perhaps you love your mother.
I’m afraid your frame of reference is totally inconsistent and incompatible with mine. I thought we could have an interesting discussion. But obviously that is not possible. I accept humans are not perfect but generally good.
As you have such disdain for me, my family, my religion, my country (USA) and my homeland (Israel), I see that continuing this thread is a waste of both of our lives.
I leave you with one last comment: L’Chai Tov - to a good life.
It has long been very incremental. The facts are clear on this. So many Jewish communities have had a bumper crop of idealistic college graduates who pushed progressive agendas to the point of absurdity. At some point, you have to work in the real world.
Excellent summary Alan. Your position and perspective is totally secular and that’s good, but to fully understand the explosion of antisemitism/anti Israel spreading worldwide can only be fully comprehended through the biblical/spiritual lens. Same with the holocaust. I’ll state the obvious from those of us who believe and understand the Bible, both Old and New Testament. The Jewish race are Gods “Chosen people” through whom the Word of has been delivered through to all mankind. Through whom, the Savior and soon returning Messiah of the Jewish people came. Mankind has a spiritual mortal enemy, Satan. This mortal enemy’s primary goal, mission, purpose and obsession has been to destroy and eradicate God’s Chosen people from the earth. That explains why the hatred of Jews and why the existence of their Promised Land will remain under threat of destruction until the Jewish messiah and Christian Lord, Jesus returns as the Jews and Israel’s king and Savior.
So all Jews worldwide, prepare for everything Jewish and Israel related to only degrade into more evil against you! Don’t be ignorant of the reality of the illogical spiritual war against you! Prepare for the worst in the coming months and years. Israeli leaders, like Noah, begin building the ark for a flood of Jews fleeing for their lives to Israel. Make room for them! The flood of antisemitism will only increase!
Dersh is so secular he does not understand the coalition partners in Netanyahu's government. Inclusion in this government has made them a permanent force to deal with.
Sorry, but this dual citizenship, dual loyalty with the jewish population in america, trying to drag Americans into every Israeli skirmish....using us as your bulldog to accomplish your goals, has to stop. Voting based on which president will send more American tax dollars to Israel, and which President is more friendly to Israel, just shows how bizarre American jews think. What other American does that? The Irish Americans don't vote on who sends tax dollars to Ireland?
You should not be voting based on which candidate is best for Israel, but rather which candidate is best for the United States. The best thing Trump can do is to stop pandering to Israel. Let's just do what's in our best interest. And if we lose the jewish vote -- fine. Whatever. But this akward relationship where Israel uses us as their muscle is really weird. It's like the younger brother who starts a fight, then calls the big brother over to help them out. It's unhealthy. No other American ethnic group does that. They just think of themselves as Americans. Even Mexican americans do not vote based on who is best for Mexico, so why do the jews constistnetly do that? It's because of the weird dual citizenship that they have. They feel like they have two loyalities.
I'm a natural born American Christian. My Bible leads me to Support and pray for Israel and the genuine (not all that profess to be, like members of our Congress) Jewish people.
Actually Ted I did see where Micheal Oren posted something about many in Israel not wanting US aid anymore because it hinders their abilities to defend themselves. They don’t want to have approval from the US! This about religion and Jews are a minority and easy pickings for the true evil Islamists! They will not let up and I am not Jewish but proud of the US sticking up for the only people in the middle east that have a true democracy!
I think it's as simple as one thing overall: when it comes down to survival, most Jews know better than to persist in leftist delusion that will get them killed. Those two Jewish embassy staffers weren't killed outside the embassy; they were killed leaving an event for Palestinian charity.
As an Israeli-born American, my concern here has always been the erosion of support for Jews/Israel and increase of anti-Semitism among liberals/Dems beginning with Obama (in spite of Rahm Emanuel’s presence). Blacks have completely abandoned their supporters of civil rights battles of the past century. In America, I see dumb, idealistic Reform Jews still clinging to the Left and wanting to assimilate, while Orthodox go the Right; Conservatives, in our congregation, choose a position based on age. I don’t worry about Israelis - they know how to survive, it’s Jews in the “safety” of Western countries who are in trouble.
I swear whenever someone is critical of Israel's policies, the jews scream "anti-semitic". If one were to say, for example, that the collective punishment in Gaza is not proportionate to the crime, the jews chant anti-semitic.
The reason you're losing hearts and minds is because you guys are so demanding. You're like children. For instance, you now ask that young American men and women fight a war with Iran on your behalf, because you're afraid of what Iran "might do'". If you feel Iran is a threat, then you go fight Iran. Take your sons and daughters to the front lines. Risk your own youth, and your own money. Fund your own conquests. We dont care if israel is a state or not. If you survive, great. If you dont, whatever. Its not our country. Its not our problem. There is nothing antisemtic about that. It is the real world. You dont live in a fairy tale. You cant call daddy america to come save you every time it gets tough out there. Take responsibility for your own country and your own choices. Be a man. Learn how to take care of yourselves. We cannot rescue you every time you get a bloody nose. And stop screaming antisemitisim like a petulant child every time you dont get your way, or when someone disagrees with you, etc, etc. The political correctness and compassionate babying is over. This generation is not going to place you or anyone else on pedestal. You are just another dude who has to compete on merit, and who has to find away to survive in a crazy world. Get used to it.
The war in Gaza isn't an effort of proportions Mary. The Israeli effort is to defeat Hamas, whom declared war on Israel on Oct 7, 2023.
Free advice: fuck off
The advice was not for you. The expletive shiows you are beyond caring. God made a mistake in not having you both born in Gaza and residing now there. Noted you fear using your full name. Big bravery but only when anonymous.
You don’t seem particularly on the ball so I don’t really care what you think. My comment wasn’t for you either. My comment was for this so-called Mary. Who by the way also doesn’t use her full name. And whose comment was loathsome and completely devoid of empathy for Jews.
It’s amusing to me that you make a big deal out of the name. so you use your full name – if it is even your real name. Who cares? Muting you.
Israel isn't asking for the US to fight a war in Iran: it's asking the US not to tie its hands when the IDF takes on Iran, in the same spectacular manner as it defeated Hezbollah. Remember?
When people are marching to glorify the murder of Israelis, as they did on Oct 8, it's accurate to call that antisemitism.
Gaza's war is perfectly proportional according to Article 51 of the Geneva Convention, which says that harm to civilians must be proportional to the military advantage gained. Wiping out Hamas rocket launchers and leadership is one heck of a military advantage.
You do not include objective reality in your comment. Is it not a delusion to argue Israel is an independently capable military power? If not, call off the Fifth Column Jewish donor class and make America corruptIon free, AT LEAST TO THAT EXTENT..
Seriously Mary,
What does your comment have to do with the Professor’s blog?
I get it. The claim of Anti-Semite and antisemitism is over used. I agree my people aren’t special or entitled. We just want to be left alone to live in peace. That’s the point of the blog.
Finally. Good second paragraph, Mark. Call off AIPAC, Canary Mission, the ADL, the Mega Group and thereby let America regain its sovereignty over 1) Mideast policy, 2) who is appointed or prevented from making it and 3) determining the public discourse about the Mideast and I am sure Americans would love to keep Israel at arms length and simply ignore Israel's deficiency of a core value of human rights. Ever read the Gentile classics, Mark? Israel is a real albattross around the metaphorical neck of America. No noteworthy benefit at all other than temporary satisfaction of the jewish donor class. Split up Israel and America, and instantly Washington DC become far, far less corrupt.
I’m done with you Greg. I thought I made that clear earlier. Honestly, you are not very interesting to me.
That’s classical, pure conspiratorial antisemitism by this Greg imbecile
Damn, Mary.Imagine meeting you on Dershow, the home of ethnic bigotry. It¨s like we infiltrated the belly of the beast.. Are you single? Is Friday free?
The belly of the beast. OK so you’re an antisemite too. I said I was going to mute you. No, I’ll block you. Moron.
Mary, they have every reason to fear what Iran might do ESPECIALLY under Democrat leadership in the US, we all do and for the same reason: they hate Jews and Christian’s. THAT is why I have been dumbfounded by the apparent IGNORANCE of the JEWISH voting block consistently 70% Democrat. Why? I can see they fall into the “liberal elite college educated” (ELF’s in case of women) category benefitting from the growth of government spending, but don’t they care about the survival of Israel? Even Netanyahu rushed to endorse Biden during the 2020 stolen election, why? Trump knows Netanyahu betrayed him, he trusts him only as far as he knows he can control him now. Just like with the USS Liberty, with Netanyahu “the ends justify the means” which means whatever he believes is in the best interest of Israel, including using blackmail (Epstein files) to control The UniParty of career politicians getting rich in office for their votes.
Regards to your comment about blacks and their “civil rights leaders”: it looks to me like Truth seekers and civil rights leaders such as MLK Jr who refused to accept anything less than full individual equal rights from our Creator with whom I totally agree, was immediately abandoned by the likes of Jesse Jackson and many others since the assassination who instead chose the exact opposite: to profit by claim of being victims for entitlements from government, no better than the black slave traders in Africa, selling their own people into slavery on “the government plantation” of dependency.
Your emotional, misinformed rant doesn’t leave room for an intelligent discussion. Look up the definition of anti- Semitism as a starter to educate your self. Thank you!
Jews have historically been a consistent, reliable 70% voting block for Democrats. It always (I’m 66) made me scratch my head and wonder, why? So tell me smart guy, why is that?
From my readings and discussions, esp. with fellow Jews - the reasons: historical alignment of Jews with Blacks and the Civil Rights movement not realizing the Dems were aligned with the origins of the KKK, historical perception of Reps. as WASPs responsible for exclusion of Jews from businesses, clubs, universities etc, and a desire to assimilate, not stand out and be subject to persecution as in Europe etc.
Your “solipcistic” is misspelled and misguided. My parents moved to this country like most immigrants, probably including your ancestors - in search of religious freedom, upward mobility, and freedom from conflicts. “Disdain for American values” - you are solipsistic!
Pretty solipcistic 'Mr Harari. Did you move to America simply for economic gain. You do not appear to share with Americans a core valuem of human equality. Why do Israelis come to America to get rich, yet have disdain for american values?
Why worry? They have Israel as their sanctuary. Why do they prefer to live elsewhere?
We prefer to live elsewhere like Muslims, Catholics, Buddhists, Hindus et al prefer to live elsewhere on Earth other than one country. Calling Israel a sanctuary may be a bit strange given the numerous attacks, wars, missiles etc. targeting her citizens. It's a small "sanctuary" at best in a miserable neighborhood, unlike the religion-dominated countries of the rest of the world.
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Yes Andy Lee, if you are incapable of refuting his argumentation, better to just pretend the arguments- - -and the person- - -do not exist. Ostriches do thjat. They stick their head i a hole to avoid seeing what they do not like or fear.
Joseph this person is not one to engage with!
Hi Joseph: the description "sanctuary was used in the founding documents of Zionism. The ideology's originaL purpose was to create a sanctuary or Jews., a refuge from perceived persecution. Revisionist Zionism seems to have mutated the goal in favor of regional hegemony.
“Perceived persecution” ? Not really for thousands, millions of victims. It was real for my ancestors. Revisionist Zionism, regional hegemony - what exactly do you mean with these terms?
Obviously some persecution is real and confirmed by objective reality. Some is very bad. Some is invented to get sympathjy. Some is "perceived", thought to exist but maybe unconfirmable by objecrive reality. Victimhood sells arguments these days. It has been basis for massive reparations payments, for example to Israel from Germany on the basis of real persecution.. Claiming persecjution or vicrtimhood does not make it so. The Holocaust and Gaza Genocide are part of objective freality. The allegations of dangers to Jewish studenta, 23% of Columbia's student body , need to be confirmed by objective facts before denoting any "persecution". So far any "danger" seems only theoretical and perobably exaggerated for political effect. is that not right
Anti-semitism is real. There’s plenty of evidence of that. But there is also two sides to everything and only the Truth can end the hatred. It has to stop.
Mister Starr seems to have a rather peculiar agenda vis-a-vis Jews and Israelis, as those of you will recollect from his previous recent comments on Dersh's blog...
E.g., "Actions of a people are the basis for judging their morality and legality. Arranging a blackmail operation and "staffing" it with 250 groomed gentile, mostly underage ,children; that is a very clear basis for judgement of Mossad as an agency and the Jewish State as its master and beneficiary. Why were only gentile underage c children selected for grooming? Likely it has something to do with a racial prohibiion of against defiling thje children of one¨s own kind? Well, we do not know with certainty because everything connected to Jeffrey Epstein, his work, his friends, his activity with his attorney and even Jamie Diamond is covered up. As to Diamond and the bank, we know the bank made a huge payment to Epstein victims, but details are sealed. Not a single blackmail target has been identifird. mot a single male co-conspirator has been indicted (there were at least five) nly thje daughter of Mossad honcho Robert Maxwell was indicted and then convictd( but she follows Omerta.) The Jewish State is run by leaders who opine that any meanss are justified by the ends. Lots of bad guys follow this maxim. Yes, especially the Nazis. Everything you wrote in your comment happens in Israel except manifestation of the core value of human equallty."
So I'd second Andy Lee's judgement that this raving [my own expletive deleted] is "not one to engage with". Although I do wonder where he got his factoids regarding Epstein, Mossad, and the 250 groomed gentiles? (Not to mention his being notably careless in his text editing; and maybe also reminiscent of the NSDAP shtick —prior to the Wansee conf which opted for the Final Solution— to encourage/facilitate the German Jewish community to self-deport en masse to Mandate Palestine.
Those unable to refute argumentation naturally prefer to not engage with them.
Where do you get those facts about the 250 groomed gentiles Greg? Curious minds want to know. I would agree with you on the point that not engaging rather than refuting your argument is just another form of censorship, unless it turns into a circular argument not based on information that can’t be backed up.
AG Pam Bondi.
That’s probably because the left has moved too far to the left and taken the side of those that don’t have the best interests of the Jewish people. It’s mostly democrats out there protesting against Israel and harassing Jewish students! I don’t understand why any Jewish person would want to have anything to do with the democrats. The same goes for the black population. The democrats have done nothing but harm to black communities in the past and they will continue to damage everything they touch. Democrats seem to destroy anything that doesn’t align with their current priorities
Sadly, the liberal Jews in the west continue to believe that if they offer the olive branch, to those who wish to see them annihilated, somehow,miraculously they will have a change of heart. 10/7 didn’t teach them a thing.
Professor, This is so misunderstood. I am Jewish and saw it so clearly between my visits to Israel in 1976 and 2010. My family and friends - once strong Labor supporters had all turned to Likud or more right leaning. Perhaps as Jews we have a special understanding of human nature not shared by non-Jews. Never again means exactly what it says! Am Yisrael Chai!
Greg,
Here are my truths:
1. Hamas started this war - there is no rational explanation for the attack, killing, rape, and hostage taking.
2. The war would have ended months ago if Hamas handed over all the live and dead hostages and stopped their bombing and terrorism.
3. Proof of active genocide is a reduction in population. There are more Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza today than after the war in 1948, while there are literally no Jews left in Arab lands. Is that explained on Tik Tok?
4. Palestinians have been kicked out of every country they set up camps. There must be a reason no Arab states want to give them citizenship!
5. What is a Palestinian? My mother was born in the British Mandate (in Jerusalem) in 1936. She is much more Palestinian than Arafat (who was born in Egypt). That makes me a Palestinian Jew - is such a thing possible? Seems like only Muslim Arabs can be Palestinian - oh, wait, what about the maligned Christian Palestinians?
6. The UN mandate of 1947 separated the land between Jews and Arabs. No mention of a Palestinian people. Since then there is clearly no genocide on either side, as both populations have proliferated.
7. There is no difference between the fighting in Gaza and the fighting in Syria, except Arabs killed Arabs in Syria - that’s acceptable but Jews defending themselves against attack? That’s evidently unacceptable. Such action is wrongly called “Genocide”. Don’t you see that such accusations demean the very definition?
I hope you understand the multitude of racist tropes you throw at me regarding Jewish control. Seriously, we are 16m in a world of 8B!! Leave us alone to live in peace.
Never Again! Proud and Jewish!
And here am I to present objective reality.
1. The War started in at least 1948.
2.it looks similar to the American displacement of the Indian Civilizations which happened under a far more primitive evolution of Western human morality and consciousness. Arguably Americans and Western Europeans do not do this anymore.
3, The Nakba was like the Trail of Tears for the Cherokee nation, just far, far larger.
4. Israeli government officials and their supporters monolithically recite that the non-Jews are "terrorists", quite ignoring Jewish terror which was and is not only more extensive but also applied to create/maintain the Jewish State. King David Hotel, assassinatiion of Folke Bernadotte, Menachem Begin's reign as chief of Stern Gang, Shamir and Irgun. Deir Yassin, The Lavon affair (1952: -israel's comprehensive terror bombings in Cairo),. Israel's bombings of Jewish institutions (killing scores of Jews) in Baghdad to motivate Mizrahis to flee to Israel, routine and forced confiscations of Arab land without compensatiion in order to create more Jewish settlements, use of Ameican donated jets as instruments of terror subduing the civilian population, "price tag" quotas of collective punishment, and generally the IDF war on International Humanitarian Law and the Genocide Convention.
5. For the sake of brevity we skip to your last paragraph. It is highly practical and agreeable IMO to "Leave...(Israel) alone (absolutely alone, interdicted) in peace". The problem is the imperialism of the Zionists, not only expansionist, like Communism, in the Mideast but operative and dominant in the USA. due to citizens with primary loyalty not to the United States, the county of their citizenship. The israel Lobby, aka Jewish Lobby of which AIPAC is a significant part and coecive groups like Canary Mission function as an academic storm troopers out of an Eastern European ethos. . Organizations like AIPAC and individuals like Dershowitz (with his, shall we say, checkered past) and Ben Shapiro seem to remain still insular and unintegrated in America other than in securing wealth. They preach primary loyalty to any current government in -israel and to Zionism. Their primary loyalty to a foreign country and ideology matches that of the Rosenbergs to Communism rather than America. Roy Cohn and Judge Stanley Kaufmann turned the American Jewish mainstream 180 degrees back from the temptation and pressure of loyalty to communism 65 years ago. They are needed again. . The Jewish community needs new beautiful mprophets like these two to arise and teach Jews over the age of 30 the civilisational need to be loyal to the country which gave them great prosperity, treating them so well.
Greg,
Where are you getting your information? Seems like we have alternate realities.
Why are Jews in America or Even Israel responsible for the failed leadership of the Palestinians?
Have you been to Gaza or Israel?
Mark: we may have alternate realities if we read different sources. I am confident my sources reflect objective reality rather than propaganda or simple bias. Since Israel bars reporters from Gaza, that limits greatly information about IDF activity. But there are the hundreds of TikTok videos that IDF soldiers upload to show what they do. I watch them. They are confessions Investigative reporters have covered Dersh. Miami Herald's three part series on Dershowitz and Epstein, Connie Bruch's expose on Dershowitz and Epstein as well as negotiations wirh Virginia Roberts. Darryl Cooper's three part series on the Epstein Orgnizartion with Dersh in a supporting role. Nick Bryant. Many podcasts. .
Jews and Christian Zionists who are economically supporting AIPAC or other Jewish Lobby groups influencing American decisions to donate the weapons necessary to commit Genocide seem complicit, as is America itself, with the Genocide .Lots of non-combatants have been killed. Nobody in Israel seems to lose sleep or change rules of engagement to kill fewer.Netanyahu openly wants ti kill more to put more pressure on Hamas. If the Genocide is confirmed, then is complicity not common sense?.
Not allowed to visit Gaza. Thanks to Canary Mission, not allowed to visit Israel. Have lived in Aqaba, an area at the Dead Sea and in Damascus.
The synonym of "Am Yisrael Chai" is apparently "Genocide to the Palestinians". Why absolutely no concern for a core value of human equality. You live in America and at least pay equality lip service.
Blacks were allowed to fight for Civil Rights when they were not granted, but Palestinians cannot do the same? They have to be brutally suppressed in a way Blacks in America never were. But in a Jewish State equality is forbidden , first by the 2018 Jewish Supremacy Law and secondlhy by a racist Israeli Jewish society.
Palestinians were not brutally suppressed. The entire middle east and north Africa is Arab and Muslim. The Palestinians have alot of room at their disposal. They do well in Israel, and they were doing well in the Palestinian territories as well. The problem is the stated goal of the Palestinian cause is to destroy Israel.
You and objective reality are far removed from each other. You seem to have no functioning sensory organs and the brain lacks interpretive capacity. No matter. Perhaps you love your mother.
"Why absolutely no concern for a core value of human equality?"
22% of students both Hebrew University and Technion, Israel's top universities, are Israeli Arabs.
The Dean of Undergraduates at the Technion, Professor Hossam Haick, is an Israeli Arab.
The Chairman of the Board of Bank Leumi, Israel's largest, is Dr Samer Haj Yehya, an Israeli Arab.
Brig Gen Hisham Ibrahim, an Israeli Arab, is the former commander of the IDF Armored Corps.
Israeli Arabs are Knesset members of every Israeli political party other than religious ones and have also served in Israel's Supreme Court.
Enough equality for you or will you continue with your uninformed slanders?
Shabbat Shalom Greg (if that’s your name).
I’m afraid your frame of reference is totally inconsistent and incompatible with mine. I thought we could have an interesting discussion. But obviously that is not possible. I accept humans are not perfect but generally good.
As you have such disdain for me, my family, my religion, my country (USA) and my homeland (Israel), I see that continuing this thread is a waste of both of our lives.
I leave you with one last comment: L’Chai Tov - to a good life.
It has long been very incremental. The facts are clear on this. So many Jewish communities have had a bumper crop of idealistic college graduates who pushed progressive agendas to the point of absurdity. At some point, you have to work in the real world.
I have always been a centrist. Not no more. The left with their abandonment of Israel and their pushing of the Marxist woke agenda is dead to me!
Excellent summary Alan. Your position and perspective is totally secular and that’s good, but to fully understand the explosion of antisemitism/anti Israel spreading worldwide can only be fully comprehended through the biblical/spiritual lens. Same with the holocaust. I’ll state the obvious from those of us who believe and understand the Bible, both Old and New Testament. The Jewish race are Gods “Chosen people” through whom the Word of has been delivered through to all mankind. Through whom, the Savior and soon returning Messiah of the Jewish people came. Mankind has a spiritual mortal enemy, Satan. This mortal enemy’s primary goal, mission, purpose and obsession has been to destroy and eradicate God’s Chosen people from the earth. That explains why the hatred of Jews and why the existence of their Promised Land will remain under threat of destruction until the Jewish messiah and Christian Lord, Jesus returns as the Jews and Israel’s king and Savior.
So all Jews worldwide, prepare for everything Jewish and Israel related to only degrade into more evil against you! Don’t be ignorant of the reality of the illogical spiritual war against you! Prepare for the worst in the coming months and years. Israeli leaders, like Noah, begin building the ark for a flood of Jews fleeing for their lives to Israel. Make room for them! The flood of antisemitism will only increase!
Dersh is so secular he does not understand the coalition partners in Netanyahu's government. Inclusion in this government has made them a permanent force to deal with.
Sorry, but this dual citizenship, dual loyalty with the jewish population in america, trying to drag Americans into every Israeli skirmish....using us as your bulldog to accomplish your goals, has to stop. Voting based on which president will send more American tax dollars to Israel, and which President is more friendly to Israel, just shows how bizarre American jews think. What other American does that? The Irish Americans don't vote on who sends tax dollars to Ireland?
You should not be voting based on which candidate is best for Israel, but rather which candidate is best for the United States. The best thing Trump can do is to stop pandering to Israel. Let's just do what's in our best interest. And if we lose the jewish vote -- fine. Whatever. But this akward relationship where Israel uses us as their muscle is really weird. It's like the younger brother who starts a fight, then calls the big brother over to help them out. It's unhealthy. No other American ethnic group does that. They just think of themselves as Americans. Even Mexican americans do not vote based on who is best for Mexico, so why do the jews constistnetly do that? It's because of the weird dual citizenship that they have. They feel like they have two loyalities.
I'm a natural born American Christian. My Bible leads me to Support and pray for Israel and the genuine (not all that profess to be, like members of our Congress) Jewish people.
Actually Ted I did see where Micheal Oren posted something about many in Israel not wanting US aid anymore because it hinders their abilities to defend themselves. They don’t want to have approval from the US! This about religion and Jews are a minority and easy pickings for the true evil Islamists! They will not let up and I am not Jewish but proud of the US sticking up for the only people in the middle east that have a true democracy!
Hi Ted: You must be lost. This is a cheerleading section, not a discussion.
Jews are the problem in America…
About time they wake up
The Christians are sick of it
They’ve had their panties so high UP THE Democrats ass for decades
I think it's as simple as one thing overall: when it comes down to survival, most Jews know better than to persist in leftist delusion that will get them killed. Those two Jewish embassy staffers weren't killed outside the embassy; they were killed leaving an event for Palestinian charity.
They finally realize they were wrong
The Right has its share of Nazis, true. But its teachings do not lead to an inexplicable embrace of Islam and Jew hatred as the Left teaches.
Because they lefty Dems hate them and incite the morons to commit violence
Because the left wants to kill them
The Jewish people in Israel will survive and they will prevail for one simple reason they know they have no place else to go
Because the left has lost its conscience.